Europe or United states?
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Europe or United states?
Supposing that someone has the right to work both in Europe& United states,where would you suggest to train(aircraft training)? Where there are more job oppprtunities?(airlines)
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US, you can always convert to EASA afterwards and have FAA and EASA licences. However, in the US it is quite easier to get your career started as there are more flying opportunities than here. The US are a dream for general aviation pilots wannabe like me – at least for me.
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Well,so i better choose USA.
Are airlines selective between green card holders and american citizens or as long as i will have the right to work and reside permanently there will be no problem in getting employed?
Also,what school would you suggest?(except Embry Riddle because i don't have 200k€)
Are airlines selective between green card holders and american citizens or as long as i will have the right to work and reside permanently there will be no problem in getting employed?
Also,what school would you suggest?(except Embry Riddle because i don't have 200k€)
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Well Thakis, we've exchanged quite a few pm's in this regard and I told you about the advantages and disadvantages about going the US way. I went the US path personally, all the way up to CFI. Also "converted" my FAA license to EASA. I have the impression that your mind is already set and all you wanna hear is, yes go to the US, getting a job is so much easier and better over there! Why don't you repost your question in the "North America" section of the forum, just to get a few additional opinions? Anyhow, good luck!
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I wouldn't train in the US if I were you. There are many reasons which support my answer to your question.
Firstly, the FAA license is too easy. It is of equal difficulty as getting a PPL in Europe. As the EASA license is more difficult to obtain, I suggest taking the hard route first before considering any conversions to an FAA license, an easier license to obtain.
Secondly, I hear the airline industry in America isn't doing too well at the moment, with jobs being hard to find, and with pay being very poor. Morale is not a strong point for pilots over in America either.
Thirdly, it is much easier to convert an EASA license to an FAA license (referring back to my first point).
And Finally, the standard of living is much better in Europe than it is in America. You'd be better off getting a job in Europe and living here rather than in America.
Nevertheless, this is all down to you. Maybe you'd like to live close to your sister. I'm just giving you advice.
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Firstly, the FAA license is too easy. It is of equal difficulty as getting a PPL in Europe. As the EASA license is more difficult to obtain, I suggest taking the hard route first before considering any conversions to an FAA license, an easier license to obtain.
Secondly, I hear the airline industry in America isn't doing too well at the moment, with jobs being hard to find, and with pay being very poor. Morale is not a strong point for pilots over in America either.
Thirdly, it is much easier to convert an EASA license to an FAA license (referring back to my first point).
And Finally, the standard of living is much better in Europe than it is in America. You'd be better off getting a job in Europe and living here rather than in America.
Nevertheless, this is all down to you. Maybe you'd like to live close to your sister. I'm just giving you advice.
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@ TheSkiingPilot:
What qualifies you in making such a statement? Do you hold an FAA license yourself? Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn't be writing such a nonsense!
Again, what qualifies you in making such a derogatory statement, particularly regarding the moral of US pilots? I'm a US pilot and flight instructor myself, and I must say I feel rudely assaulted and offended by such a post! Who or what do you think you are?
If you show as little respect towards others in the cockpit as well, you should seriously rethink your intension of becoming a professional pilot, since this kind of behavior is anything but professional!
And by the way, I happen to hold an EASA ATP (frozen) myself, so I know both systems the EU and the US. Both system have advantages and disadvantages, but don't degrade one system over the other, especially if you only know one system!
Firstly, the FAA license is too easy.
I hear the airline industry in America isn't doing too well at the moment, with jobs being hard to find, and with pay being very poor. Morale is not a strong point for pilots over in America either.
If you show as little respect towards others in the cockpit as well, you should seriously rethink your intension of becoming a professional pilot, since this kind of behavior is anything but professional!
And by the way, I happen to hold an EASA ATP (frozen) myself, so I know both systems the EU and the US. Both system have advantages and disadvantages, but don't degrade one system over the other, especially if you only know one system!
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Typical easa (or British, maybe?) mentality, congrats.
"We're smarter than those yanks, let's show them. Let's come up with a ridiculous amount of rules, many of them totally useless."
I suppose that having a huge amount of GA planes that - coincidentally - contribute to a strong economy is a bad thing, right?
It is of equal difficulty as getting a PPL in Europe. As the EASA license is more difficult to obtain, I suggest taking the hard route first before considering any conversions to an FAA license, an easier license to obtain.
Secondly, I hear the airline industry in America isn't doing too well at the moment, with jobs being hard to find, and with pay being very poor. Morale is not a strong point for pilots over in America either.
Thirdly, it is much easier to convert an EASA license to an FAA license (referring back to my first point).
And Finally, the standard of living is much better in Europe than it is in America. You'd be better off getting a job in Europe and living here rather than in America.
TheSkiingPilot
Secondly, I hear the airline industry in America isn't doing too well at the moment, with jobs being hard to find, and with pay being very poor. Morale is not a strong point for pilots over in America either.
Thirdly, it is much easier to convert an EASA license to an FAA license (referring back to my first point).
And Finally, the standard of living is much better in Europe than it is in America. You'd be better off getting a job in Europe and living here rather than in America.
TheSkiingPilot
Because of course, living in Leicestershire is waayyy better than living in California or Florida, right?
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I hear the airline industry in America isn't doing too well at the moment, with jobs being hard to find
Anyone with a pulse and a pilot's licence is getting hired right now, mostly on a phone interview early. To say the airlines are desperate for pilots is an understatement.
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It's a pity this thread has descended to this level quite so quickly but I guess that should have been expected after TheSkiingPilot's dumb sounding and inflammatory comments.
The EASA licence vs FAA certificate question has been covered many times here and from the perspective of someone who has completed both I would simply say that although they are different, this is fairly meaningless as the two are not interchangeable so if you seek to operate in the U.S. you will require an FAA certificate and if you wish to fly in the E.U. you will need an EASA licence. I think both have their merits and recognised the benefits of each. The OP states he/she wants to fly for an airline so I'm discounting the option of flying 'N' registered aircraft around Europe. Don't choose where you live based on the relative complexity of achieving a qualification!
The airline industry in the U.S. is doing swell and in fact the only area where it is not performing right now is in it's ability to fill training courses with suitably qualified pilot applicants, particularly the regionals. Getting the 1500 hours necessary to reach the regionals though might be more of a problem now than it was a few years ago as despite DirtyProp's assertion that there are a 'huge amount of GA planes', there really aren't as many CFI jobs as there used to be in my opinion. Not necessarily a problem though as there are accredited airline affiliated courses run through a number of schools across the U.S. that you may be eligible for (as you must surely know as you mention Embry Riddle).
As far as standard of living is concerned, that is surely quite subjective and completely dependant on the OP's standard of living now. I've lived in Europe, Florida and California at various times (and in the U.S. in general for many years) and have to say that each is completely different. Personally, I found the standard of living higher in some parts of each of the states I lived compared to Europe (from where I came originally), but I never lived far from places where the standard of living was significantly lower either. There is an incredible amount of poverty in the U.S.A and anyone considering moving there from a place where social welfare is common (i.e. much of Western Europe) should be certain that you will not have to rely on social welfare if you are training or otherwise outside of employment for any period of time. I have been alarmed by the number of close U.S. colleagues I have known who have really struggled financially, don't have any health insurance, and have been foreclosed on or have been forced to downsize their family homes in recent years despite often managing to hold down a number of different jobs simultaneously to try to make ends meet (and these are pilots and other airline/aviation employees). These are not guys and girls flying for the majors although I've sure met a few who have been furloughed, lost their pensions etc. after many years of major airline experience. I got talking to the attendant in a gas station one afternoon who told me his previous type had been 757's and a bus driver with many years military transport and major airline experience behind him who had also been ferry pilot for the Boeing Co. Sometimes, what you find can be quite a contrast to what you might be lead to expect.
You could argue that standard of living and quality of life are intrinsically linked although I would say that in my case they were not. I have enjoyed a good standard of living in the U.S. but I found the quality was not so; I have enjoyed the company of many very good colleagues and made many friends but was far from family and lifelong friends from home. Many of the pastimes, experiences and food I enjoyed back home were simply not available in my new 'home' and despite feeling that I had acclimatised well, I never really felt entirely comfortable. This was something I apparently shared with other non-U.S. friends who had moved there. It is a very different place; a very good, exciting and beautiful land with friendly and welcoming people but just very different. Remember though, these are my personal thoughts based on my own experiences and the only way you will know is if you try it for yourself.
So good luck and enjoy your flying wherever you decide to go!
The EASA licence vs FAA certificate question has been covered many times here and from the perspective of someone who has completed both I would simply say that although they are different, this is fairly meaningless as the two are not interchangeable so if you seek to operate in the U.S. you will require an FAA certificate and if you wish to fly in the E.U. you will need an EASA licence. I think both have their merits and recognised the benefits of each. The OP states he/she wants to fly for an airline so I'm discounting the option of flying 'N' registered aircraft around Europe. Don't choose where you live based on the relative complexity of achieving a qualification!
The airline industry in the U.S. is doing swell and in fact the only area where it is not performing right now is in it's ability to fill training courses with suitably qualified pilot applicants, particularly the regionals. Getting the 1500 hours necessary to reach the regionals though might be more of a problem now than it was a few years ago as despite DirtyProp's assertion that there are a 'huge amount of GA planes', there really aren't as many CFI jobs as there used to be in my opinion. Not necessarily a problem though as there are accredited airline affiliated courses run through a number of schools across the U.S. that you may be eligible for (as you must surely know as you mention Embry Riddle).
As far as standard of living is concerned, that is surely quite subjective and completely dependant on the OP's standard of living now. I've lived in Europe, Florida and California at various times (and in the U.S. in general for many years) and have to say that each is completely different. Personally, I found the standard of living higher in some parts of each of the states I lived compared to Europe (from where I came originally), but I never lived far from places where the standard of living was significantly lower either. There is an incredible amount of poverty in the U.S.A and anyone considering moving there from a place where social welfare is common (i.e. much of Western Europe) should be certain that you will not have to rely on social welfare if you are training or otherwise outside of employment for any period of time. I have been alarmed by the number of close U.S. colleagues I have known who have really struggled financially, don't have any health insurance, and have been foreclosed on or have been forced to downsize their family homes in recent years despite often managing to hold down a number of different jobs simultaneously to try to make ends meet (and these are pilots and other airline/aviation employees). These are not guys and girls flying for the majors although I've sure met a few who have been furloughed, lost their pensions etc. after many years of major airline experience. I got talking to the attendant in a gas station one afternoon who told me his previous type had been 757's and a bus driver with many years military transport and major airline experience behind him who had also been ferry pilot for the Boeing Co. Sometimes, what you find can be quite a contrast to what you might be lead to expect.
You could argue that standard of living and quality of life are intrinsically linked although I would say that in my case they were not. I have enjoyed a good standard of living in the U.S. but I found the quality was not so; I have enjoyed the company of many very good colleagues and made many friends but was far from family and lifelong friends from home. Many of the pastimes, experiences and food I enjoyed back home were simply not available in my new 'home' and despite feeling that I had acclimatised well, I never really felt entirely comfortable. This was something I apparently shared with other non-U.S. friends who had moved there. It is a very different place; a very good, exciting and beautiful land with friendly and welcoming people but just very different. Remember though, these are my personal thoughts based on my own experiences and the only way you will know is if you try it for yourself.
So good luck and enjoy your flying wherever you decide to go!
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Ah, that old - everything is better in Europe and even better still in the UK - Chestnut. It reeks of British imperial snobbery & arrogance and belongs in a bygone era reminiscent of colonial times. I thought things had matured a little and we'd moved on from that but evidently not. However, as a practical matter if you want to work in Europe you're better off training there because of the hoops they make you jump through, especially if you're on a budget. If you can get a green card then definitely train in the US. However Afaik, just having a family member there isn't enough to guarantee one, but I could be wrong.
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Assuming you're NOT Mexican, Philippines or India born person with no other 'chargeability', have a look at the F4 and showing Feb 2004 applications being processed. Yes.
http://www.uscis.gov/visabulletininfo
Family-based Immigrant Visas
AND that assumes your sister is NOT JUST LPR/green card holder, but US citizen. In other words, it's 11 years at the moment from petition date for sibling of US citizen and who knows when that'd be accomplished by your sister. So say 2-4 years. That's roughly 13-15 years FROM NOW you can think of it, without using other visa/legal stay avenue.
Having sibling who is green card holder in US is about as useful as chocolate teapot in short term/near future.
It takes 5-10mins to find relevant info, really.
http://www.uscis.gov/visabulletininfo
Family-based Immigrant Visas
AND that assumes your sister is NOT JUST LPR/green card holder, but US citizen. In other words, it's 11 years at the moment from petition date for sibling of US citizen and who knows when that'd be accomplished by your sister. So say 2-4 years. That's roughly 13-15 years FROM NOW you can think of it, without using other visa/legal stay avenue.
Having sibling who is green card holder in US is about as useful as chocolate teapot in short term/near future.
It takes 5-10mins to find relevant info, really.
