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Hi I'm 30 years old and looking to change profession and become a first officer,I have already located a place i can get a job to start but i don't know the steps of what to do from beginning,I was born in the seychelles the country where i would like to become a first officer on these
3 DHC6 Twin Otter Series 400 Turboprop,
3 DHC6 Twin Otters Series 300 Turboprops,
1 Shorts 360-300 Turboprop.
And the initial requirement for these
Employer Notes
Airline hires Local / National Pilots for its Turboprop Domestic Operations (only local citizens). Requirements: CPL, ME IR 200 hours.
I live in uk and have enough funds to start a flight school so funds is not a problem,I can take my studies in uk but since i wanna return home i was looking to start a career down this path.
Please advise which school and what needed and length process will take to achieve this.
Thank you looking for great advise.
3 DHC6 Twin Otter Series 400 Turboprop,
3 DHC6 Twin Otters Series 300 Turboprops,
1 Shorts 360-300 Turboprop.
And the initial requirement for these
Employer Notes
Airline hires Local / National Pilots for its Turboprop Domestic Operations (only local citizens). Requirements: CPL, ME IR 200 hours.
I live in uk and have enough funds to start a flight school so funds is not a problem,I can take my studies in uk but since i wanna return home i was looking to start a career down this path.
Please advise which school and what needed and length process will take to achieve this.
Thank you looking for great advise.
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Hi and welcome to the forum!
Well, it all depends where you want or would like to fly some day, and secondly you'll never know in which part of the world you might end up flying in the future. If your final goal is to fly commercially in Europe some day, and consider the Seychelles "only" as the first step into the business, then you'd need to take the European (EASA) path. If your goal is flying around the Seychelles and later on maybe internationally, except Europe, then I'd say take the FAA (US) path, since it's far less theory-loaded, less bureaucratic and more hands-on experience oriented. I mean both licenses (FAA & EASA) are internationally highly valued and recognized. But, as already mentioned, if you want to fly in Europe some day you must have an EASA license, but that's more of economical and financial matters. It's simply about keeping prospective customers from going to the US for flight training, instead of spending their money at home and to protect the European pilot job market.
As already mentioned, the European training is very theory loaded and bureaucratic. The biggest challenge, when we are talking about becoming a professional pilot, is (without a doubt) the studies for the ATP exams. Prerequisite would be, to have the EASA PPL (private pilot license) in order to get started with the ATP theory. Then you have the choice of either taking a distance learning course or full time (residential) course. Many people decide to take a distance learning course, since they have to work a full time job, but be advised, don't underestimate the time and effort you have to put in. D/L (distance learning) requires a high degree of motivation and discipline, many people underestimate this, including myself! If possible (if you don't have to work full time) and if you want to get this obstacle (ATP theory) out of the way in minimum time (approx. 6 month) I highly recommend going for a full time (residential) course!
After passing the ATP exams, usually one need to built flight time and get the IR (instrument rating) as well as the CPL. You can do this in any EASA member state (meaning EU). Budget wise I'd be looking towards Poland, since they are an EASA member but they don't have the Euro yet.
Time frame (EASA) PPL to (frozen) ATP (=CPL/IR with ATP Theory) depends on, if you have to work a full time job, besides flying and studying, absolute minimum 2 years, more realistic would be 3 years and more. If you can commit yourself to full time studying and flying, I'd say 18 to 24 month.
The FAA (US) path (PPL to CPL/IR) full time, about 12 month or even less.
Here a few links you might want to look at:
Profpilot.co.uk: The Cheerful Flight Training Site! (take a look at courses [top menu bar] and ATPL Theory Exams, you'll find D/L course providers as well as full time course providers)
Bartolini Air EASA Flight Training Organisation - Fly in Poland
European Flight Training Home - European Flight Training (EASA and/or FAA flight training in the USA)
SAA International, flying and flight training San Diego California, how to become a pilot (EASA and/or FAA flight training in the USA)
http://www.sonoran-wings.com/#!flight-training/c1g1z (US flight school, FAA training only)
http://www.aviaaviation.com/ (US flight school, FAA training only)
Hope I could help and good luck!
Well, it all depends where you want or would like to fly some day, and secondly you'll never know in which part of the world you might end up flying in the future. If your final goal is to fly commercially in Europe some day, and consider the Seychelles "only" as the first step into the business, then you'd need to take the European (EASA) path. If your goal is flying around the Seychelles and later on maybe internationally, except Europe, then I'd say take the FAA (US) path, since it's far less theory-loaded, less bureaucratic and more hands-on experience oriented. I mean both licenses (FAA & EASA) are internationally highly valued and recognized. But, as already mentioned, if you want to fly in Europe some day you must have an EASA license, but that's more of economical and financial matters. It's simply about keeping prospective customers from going to the US for flight training, instead of spending their money at home and to protect the European pilot job market.
As already mentioned, the European training is very theory loaded and bureaucratic. The biggest challenge, when we are talking about becoming a professional pilot, is (without a doubt) the studies for the ATP exams. Prerequisite would be, to have the EASA PPL (private pilot license) in order to get started with the ATP theory. Then you have the choice of either taking a distance learning course or full time (residential) course. Many people decide to take a distance learning course, since they have to work a full time job, but be advised, don't underestimate the time and effort you have to put in. D/L (distance learning) requires a high degree of motivation and discipline, many people underestimate this, including myself! If possible (if you don't have to work full time) and if you want to get this obstacle (ATP theory) out of the way in minimum time (approx. 6 month) I highly recommend going for a full time (residential) course!
After passing the ATP exams, usually one need to built flight time and get the IR (instrument rating) as well as the CPL. You can do this in any EASA member state (meaning EU). Budget wise I'd be looking towards Poland, since they are an EASA member but they don't have the Euro yet.
Time frame (EASA) PPL to (frozen) ATP (=CPL/IR with ATP Theory) depends on, if you have to work a full time job, besides flying and studying, absolute minimum 2 years, more realistic would be 3 years and more. If you can commit yourself to full time studying and flying, I'd say 18 to 24 month.
The FAA (US) path (PPL to CPL/IR) full time, about 12 month or even less.
Here a few links you might want to look at:
Profpilot.co.uk: The Cheerful Flight Training Site! (take a look at courses [top menu bar] and ATPL Theory Exams, you'll find D/L course providers as well as full time course providers)
Bartolini Air EASA Flight Training Organisation - Fly in Poland
European Flight Training Home - European Flight Training (EASA and/or FAA flight training in the USA)
SAA International, flying and flight training San Diego California, how to become a pilot (EASA and/or FAA flight training in the USA)
http://www.sonoran-wings.com/#!flight-training/c1g1z (US flight school, FAA training only)
http://www.aviaaviation.com/ (US flight school, FAA training only)
Hope I could help and good luck!
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Thanks very much for your answer I have been in contact with the local office HR department a d they have said they have vacancy for only local which is OK im local and they have sent there requirement
As it goes for the minimum requirement for Air Seychelles for the position of F/O on the Twin Otter you will need the following:
Minimum of 250 flying hours
A Twin Otter type rating will be to your advantage however it is not required as the company will provide.
A valid Commercial Pilot License with Instrument Rating
A Seychelles Air Law exam, which can be easier for you as you are EASA/JAA
So basically this is what I need in the shortest amount of time and I will only be flying AIF Seychelles domestic for now around 4-5 years since they upgrade local captain to international themselves.
As it goes for the minimum requirement for Air Seychelles for the position of F/O on the Twin Otter you will need the following:
Minimum of 250 flying hours
A Twin Otter type rating will be to your advantage however it is not required as the company will provide.
A valid Commercial Pilot License with Instrument Rating
A Seychelles Air Law exam, which can be easier for you as you are EASA/JAA
So basically this is what I need in the shortest amount of time and I will only be flying AIF Seychelles domestic for now around 4-5 years since they upgrade local captain to international themselves.
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Shortest time route would be an Integrated Course. 60 weeks.
EASA ATOs you need to consider are CTC, FTE, or OXFORD.
These courses will leave you a shortfall on flying hours, as you say 250 flying hours is a requirement. You need to clarify whether simulator time on the course counts?
Obtain a CLASS ONE MEDICAL before you spend any money.
EASA ATOs you need to consider are CTC, FTE, or OXFORD.
These courses will leave you a shortfall on flying hours, as you say 250 flying hours is a requirement. You need to clarify whether simulator time on the course counts?
Obtain a CLASS ONE MEDICAL before you spend any money.
