ATPL CheckRide and Logbooks

[funkydreadlocks]

Hello!

I'm in the middle of my ATPL theoretical (modular). There are two things that remain unclear to me. I was hoping some of you could clarify this a bit.

1) ATPL Checkride (?)

Is there one? there certainly seems to be one.

So if so, when does it happen? Let's I assume I pass the theory, CPL, IR, ME & MCC. I have 250h (or just under) of flight time. I have done the modules at different schools.

I'm not an official fATPL, right? Can someone please explain to me what is meant to happen next?

Do I have to book a checkride on a ME aircraft/simulator with an examiner who will test all the necessary skills to be an ATP?

2) Logbook across borders

I have a French JAA logbook. Nice and blue and...most of the entries are written in french. Not only that, but I was never taught during my PPL to note down the number of take offs and landings I've done in each flight.

Is this a problem? Should I start now? Should I buy a new logbook and have it resigned by the instructors that taught me my PPL?

I have means (very troublesome, but they're there) to find out how many take offs and landings I've done overall.


My mind is buzzing buzzing buzzing.

Thanks a lot guys.

Happy flying

[Genghis the Engineer]

You will do a CPL skill test. The fATPL is just a shorthand for CPL+IR+ME+MCC with ATPL written passes. You'll still be doing a CPL and will have to pass (at-least) two skill tests: CPL, and ME/IR.

Conversion to ATPL is years in the future, don't worry about it for now.


I'm unaware of any requirement to record numbers of take-offs and landings in EASAland, that's an FAA requirement. Don't worry about it. I have EASA and FAA licences, but started with UK CAA. I've never recorded numbers of take-offs and landings, except occasionally in notes where it was relevant to the 90 day rule. It's never caused a problem.


If you want to transfer everything to a new logbook all written in English go ahead. Doesn't really matter, but may make life easier. No need to get it certified for your old flying - just make sure your old logbook is available as the definitive document if anybody needs to see it. Equally your current logbook should be fine, just be prepared to deal with requests to translate entries.

[funkydreadlocks]

thank you genghis mate, you put me at ease.

I was aware of check rides for each of the seperate ratings. I just saw people talking about the ATPL checkride and wondered about it.

And thanks for all the info on the logbook. Again, the hands behind my back drop.

I actually have translated the logbook onto an unofficial excel version, where all my totals are added up per aircraft/PIC/dual etc. I also bought an Ipad EASA approved logbook and will be copying entries soon, but I was worried.

One reply, all questions answered. RECORD

[mad_jock]

the checkride requirements used to differ country to country.

When JAR first came in the UK basically you met the experience requirements and then your next LPC which renews your IR on muticrew type cam up and then you paid your money and it appeared through the post.

Then they had a box to tick on the form that it was a LPC for ATPL skills test. But it was a normal LPC.

Now I think there have the License skills test profile which includes raw data work and a couple of other things.

The number of takeoff's isn't required per say but some ratings require details eg Night rating.


France has a thing about 90 day currency and if inspected you will be expected to be able to prove that you are current to fly pax. Thankfully the times I got caught the tech log had multiple entries in the last 30 days that I had flown and the ferry flight we didn't have pax so eventually they conceded the point that 90 day currency rule wasn't applicable.

[Genghis the Engineer]

I actually have translated the logbook onto an unofficial excel version, where all my totals are added up per aircraft/PIC/dual etc. I also bought an Ipad EASA approved logbook and will be copying entries soon, but I was worried.

Me too - Excel is a great tool. Excel printouts of my logbook, suitably certified as true copies, went to CAA for my last two rating changes instead of my handwritten logbook, without any trouble at-all. There are numerous versions out there in the public domain, but like you, I wrote my own to suit my needs.

Not something I feel the need for myself, but if you are living and working across the UK and France, you could easily have a single input source, then two different display pages, one in English and one in French?

[ifitaintboeing]

So if so, when does it happen? Let's I assume I pass the theory, CPL, IR, ME & MCC. I have 250h (or just under) of flight time. I have done the modules at different schools.

I'm not an official fATPL, right? Can someone please explain to me what is meant to happen next?

Once you've been flying MPA for a while, and are close to achieving the required experience, you can ask your examiner as a part of the normal LPC/OPC cycle to conduct the additional items required to complete the ATPL skill test. As MJ has said, it amounts to a few extra items including a raw data ILS.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG2199FFenabled.pdf

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1158WEB.pdf

[mad_jock]

I think you have to have everything in the bag but the test. Then you can do it as the final item.

Because there has been more than a few discussions when nights hours have been found to be short due to duel hours night and then they have been wanting the test again.