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Old 6th Sep 2013, 12:22   #1 (permalink)
 
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Self fund type rating / 500 hour Line training is there a job

I would like to get opinions on people who have done this who has self funded a type rating and line training and then got a job at the end. Or has done such a scheme and was not offered employment at the end. I really want a list of places offering such schemes and then employment.

I am interested in completing a type rating and also 500 hours line training on either a B737 or an A320. I want to ask for a list of places doing this who guarantee a job at the end. I have been looking at some places that do guarantee a job. I’m currently working as a flight instructor also building my experience.

Thanks for your help.
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 09:52   #2 (permalink)


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I am also looking for a self sponsored type+500 line training program and
I didnīt find any program with granted job at the end.
Eaglejet and BAA are offering this kind of programs but no info about employment after the LT.
Eagle Jet: send you a suggested TRTOīs list to do the Type Rating. After that you must send your CV and license with the endorsement and wait for the LT call.
BAA: type rating in Vilnius+Line training with partner airline. This the cheaper option I have founded.

Any info about the partners airlines for Base Training and Line training in Eaglejet and Baltic Aviation Academy on the B737?
Thanks in advance
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 14:57   #3 (permalink)
 
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There are none. After 500 hrs you will be replaced by the next idiot willing to fund the airline.
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 17:06   #4 (permalink)
 
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wire12..... have a look at aviationjobsearch etc, how many jobs for pilots with 800 hours total time with 500 hours A320/737 can you find?
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Old 8th Sep 2013, 08:08   #5 (permalink)
 
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This the cheaper option I have founded
You mean found or funded or both?

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Old 11th Sep 2013, 20:46   #6 (permalink)
 
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hi guys, you can get the type rating with the 500 hr linetraining at jettraining.net and the linetraining will be with one of the airlines that eaglejet has as their partner, and that is due to the fact that most line training go through eaglejet... but the line training will cost you approximately 39.000$
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 20:20   #7 (permalink)
 
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Does Simtech in Dublin not offer such a programme?
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 10:12   #8 (permalink)
 
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Please guys, get this type rating + line training self funded training out of your heads! This might be the most stupid idea by airlines so far.. They are just taking advantage of young and desperate pilots. For the sake of a brighter future, don't buy yourself into success, it comes with a price...
I have a friend who bought 500 hours of line training on Germania (A320), he spent 6 months as a first officer, and he only flew 100 hours... Is that worth it? I don't think so. He didn't get a pay check, he had to pay for his accommodation, his food, his uniform. Those 39k€ or whatever they say you'll pay, it'll end up with at least 50k... I say, wait for a better opportunity, get a normal job until the chance for a job as a real first officer appears. Just a tip
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 11:10   #9 (permalink)
 
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From the airlines viewpoint, it is a rather smart idea though. There is a largish pool of freshly trained CPL holders that mostly has no chance of landing a paid job - not due to a lack of ability on the CPL holders part, but due to a lack of vacant seats at the airlines. The reasons for this have been elaborated here again and again, so I will not go there now.

The CPL holders however see this situation after having forked out a substantial amount of money and realize their predicament with a bit of well-founded dismay. And now along comes an airline CEO on his constant quest to lower his operational costs and sees these pour souls. Does pity strike his heart? No, he sees his quest fulfilled. He offers the CPL holders a ray of hope - hurry, hurry, hurry, sign here, pay only some 10.000 units of whatever currency, get a rating and some hours. And thus he sells a TR, often at an agreeable profit, can keep an aircraft flying without paying a First Officer for several hours and has not only lowered his costs but even made a profit before having sold one single ticket.

And after both have fulfilled their contract - one has provided a TR and some hours of line training, the other one has paid another substantial amount - lo and behold, the pool of 200 hour CPL holders is still as full as before, so will the CEO keep his freshly trained TR holder and start to pay him a salary, or will he choose the cheaper option of letting him go and getting another fresh, but solvent, candidate to sell another TR?

So away goes the candidate, now with a TR and some more hours - only to find himself in the next pool of jobless candidates with equal qualifications to his and the amount of paid jobs offered still the same.

Gentlemen, avoid the above scenario and do not buy a TR without a job contract signed at the same time.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 14:27   #10 (permalink)
 
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There are places that offer self funded TR and 500 line training with a job contract at the end. That is what I was asking for a list of places that offer these. I would not paid that money without a job contract in writing.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 14:34   #11 (permalink)
 
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Which bit of "no there aren't" are you struggling with?
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 16:19   #12 (permalink)
 
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Wire12,

let me repeat what I wrote in brief: Having decided to sell typeratings plus line training to aspirants, what would make any company keep its trainees while there still is profit to be had from other aspirants?

Nothing, thatīs what.

Many reputable airlines do require fresh joiners (that have passed the applicable selection beforehand!) to sign a bond of some kind in return for their type rating, such as "You will pay amount x for Your type rating, and we will refund You 1/y with some interest annually over the next y years". Does this match Your definition of self-sponsored type rating?
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