Euro american school of aviation suspended

[seymoreskye]

Euro American School of Aviation, Inc. - EASA / JAR / JAA / CAA Flight Training Leader Private Pilot Commercial Pilot Airline Pilot Training Facility | Central Florida United States

Just noticed this school in Florida has been suspended as of April and considering its supposedly bad reputation I am surprised it hasn't come up on here sooner.

Anyone any info as to why EASA has suspended their training?

Hope no guys have lost any money over there.

Here is the link direct from EASA website:

http://easa.europa.eu/approvals-and-...s-22042013.pdf

[RedBullGaveMeWings]

Why are they still advertising their EASA courses?
I sent them an email two weeks ago and they answered me as though nothing happened

[seymoreskye]

Very strange, A friend tried to call them the last two days and nobody is picking up. It would be good to find out from current students on the situation.

[zondaracer]

I'm not going to speculate but sometimes schools lose their EASA certification if they lose their chief pilot or something else that prevents them from meeting the requirements. It could be temporary but it possibly could be permanent.

[BigGrecian]

If you are there or going there you have been warned - your training won't count.

I think this will be the beginning of the schools like this starting to see suspensions and revocations or school's giving up approvals. - the implementation of EASA is a big cultural shift.

Don't believe them (or any other school for that matter) on what they will say the problem is - until they are off that list they can't offer or train for EASA training. Once they are off that list your good to go - until then don't give them a penny!

I would imagine that the suspension is post inspection - all their staff are still in place so it's not that.

[seymoreskye]

With the new EASA standards/regulations, could it be that some school don't reach the standards so are therefore dropped?

[Graham@IDC]

BigGrecian is right. The European Aircrew Regulation Part-FCL and the accompanying EASA inspection is going to come as a huge shock to many schools. Not all of them will pass it. Similarly I wouldn't be surprised if several of them decide that it's just too painful to go through the process of compliance and give up offering a European licence.

You need to research your American school VERY carefully before deciding to part with your cash.

Start by asking them when its inspection is due. If it's already had it then ask to see their ATO certificate.

[I'll Be Realistic]

You need to research your American school VERY carefully before deciding to part with your cash.

You are correct with that Graham, but that goes for any school. Let's not forget Cabair or PTC. Just how short are our memories?

You also imply that US schools are less capable of meeting EASA requirements. Any evidence to support that? As EASA is based on European Law, perhaps the CAA will no longer be the over riding authority or the highest standard. Therefore the schools approved overseas will be approved to the letter of the law and the 'old-boys' club will not apply.

[Shoelace]

JAA to EASA bureaucracy

Whatever is going on with Euro American School of Aviation, you can be sure that it has much to do with the JAA to EASA transition. Everyone anticipated that there would be problems whilst the authority got itself sorted...and this is just one of them: actioning additional bureaucracy. I think it is a disgrace that a long established provider might become the victim of poor untimely management...if this is the case.
An earlier post on this thread mentions that EASA should have been shut down long ago?? On what grounds do you base such a damaging statement?
I know of at least two training providers in the UK that have recently shut down over night and took everyones money. One of those providers closed it's doors overnight and opened another office at the same aerodrome under a new name loosing all money held in account by students. Don't forget that this school has been running for over 22years through thick and thin and never made such a filthy move.
I trained there and passed PPL, and had a great experience...going on to fly in the UK with as much or as little skill as any uk trained private pilot. Aircraft were in great condition, training was very good(I had an ex-embry pilot)...and I was able to leave with my PPL in 7 weeks...not forgetting the financial saving.
Patience is needed across the board whilst this new bureaucracy is put in to place.

[Graham@IDC]

Quite right let's not forget those two. I suspect that I lost more than most from those two shambles. So much for the aviation authorities duty/remit to monitor the financial health of the institutions they approve. I think the UK CAA's advice (only to pay for training using a credit card) is probably right.

I'm not implying in any way that US schools are less capable, just perhaps less inclined to jump through the b*s hoops that EASA is erecting. Like most EU bureaucracies EASA seems oblivious to the realities of industry. The FAA is far more pragmatic. Furthermore EASA's inspection fees are absurdly high. If I were cynical I might suspect that this is good old fashioned European protectionism at work.

Yes, I have personal experience of the pain some of these schools are having inflicted on them. For example in one recent EASA inspection (not run by anyone from the UK CAA) the inspector required the school to have classroom slides ONLY containing material from the books they use. So, goodbye to useful clips from YouTube, instructor's additional photos etc.

If that's good training practice I'll eat my Part-FCL.

[2skyhigh]

Euro american school of aviation suspended since April 19, 2013

Euro American School of Aviation in Ormon Beach suspended since April 19, 2013

thanks....but too late, many of my fellow students arrived in May....and had to leave without licenses
they did not even tell us when we arrived.....what a waste of time, energy and money....other schools might not even accept exams from a suspended school
...we should sue them!!!
for a class-action lawsuit we would need more participants and names of hurt students
at least we should write to all the editors of the magazines they place their ads

[RedBullGaveMeWings]

Wait wait... they conducted flight training regardless and let you know of their suspension only at the moment you should've taken your exam???

I heard that they are a bunch of scammers but that's incredible...

[fa2fi]

The link has expired. Is there an up to date one?

[fa2fi]

Here's the latest updated 03/06/13

http://www.easa.europa.eu/approvals-...s-03062013.pdf

So if they have been training whilst suspended what are the consequences for the school? I suspect nothing. And the ones who'll be punished will be the students (as always) who'll return home with an expensive yet worthless piece of paper.

Remember never pay up front.

[slawek_s]

And the ones who'll be punished will be the students (as always) who'll return home with an expensive yet worthless piece of paper.

I suspect they might even not get "an expensive yet worthless piece of paper" and it might not be easy to get their money back.

There is an FTO in Warsaw, Poland - FTO Ventum Air - which is on the market little over 4 years (they got their first planes about 2 years ago) and have already been sued at least 17 times by former students and cooperating companies. Have a look at my last post in a thread about FTO Ventum Air - http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post7880194 They still run and accept students.

Never, ever pay anything before you read about the school on the Internet and (preferably) contact former students. Don't expect to visit school, talk to current students and find truth about the school - at some schools, current students will never tell you truth - they might be afraid to do so because of consequences they might pay for doing so. Also - NEVER pay the full amount up front. ALWAYS pay in small installments - this way, in case your contract gets cancelled, you will not loose a lot of money.

[EASA VICTIM]

Do NOT give them your money or time!!!

For those of you that don't already know, yes this school has their ATO Certificate suspended. But Kyle Anderson doesn't care about that. All he cares about is himself and his other management buddies. If you're the type of person who likes to travel across the world and give money away then this school is exactly the place to learn how to fly. Just walk up to Kyle, hand him a check, then turn around, drop your pants and bend over because he is about to change your life. But don't take my word for it, ask any one of the students that have been there in the past few months. Furthermore, they have been advertising glass cockpits and the "newest" model of Cessna 150s. Sorry to burst your bubble but none of the aircraft have updated avionics and the newest model came out over 30 years ago. Also, this so called "Director of Maintenance" is completely unqualified to hold that position. Do some research and you'll find that John Broderick just got his A&P licence at the beginninng of this year yet has been in charge for a lot longer. On top of that, he never went to any sort of trade school to learn how to work on airplanes.Back or front, you decide. I challenge all of you to bring down fire and every government agency upon this organization in an attempt to prevent them from conducting shady business. And here is a couple bullet points to get you started:

• John Broderick is signing off aircraft engines as overhauled when he is not doing the work himself... illegal
• Adrian Thompson signs off Annual Inspections without ever touching the aircraft. This type of fradulent neglact is extremely dangerous for anyone who has ever flown an aircraft that he has signed... very very illegal

Here is a link to the suspension page:
http://easa.europa.eu/approvals-and-...s-01072013.pdf

[victormalmborg]

Euro American School of Aviation in Ormond Beach, FL

Euro School of Aviation, FLYEASA, Ormond Beach Aviation..A school with many names due to various reasons.

I'm posting this because I want to give anyone, who is considering coming to Euro School of Aviation for flight training, a warning, heads up and a word of advise!

DO NOT COME TO Euro School of Aviation!

They're not an approved flight school by JAA/EASA(European Aviation Safety Agency) any more. In other words, they got their license suspended a couple of months ago and can no longer issue any JAA/EASA licenses or certificates.
Of course, in true Euro American School of Aviation spirit, this doesn't stop them from enrolling students without telling them about this "minor detail".

Flying at EASA is always an adventure, especially in their Cessna 150's. The few instruments they do feature never works and you'll more than often have to return early due to a rough running engine or some other exiting problem.
The ground school isn't better, ofcourse I can only speak for the ATPL course but I think that's the most important one.
It is provided by CATS, crazy expensive, you're promised three half day lectures a week but you should be lucky if you get one. Other than that all the price includes is access to a terrible website.

I could go on like this for hours but I think everyone get my point by now.
The world of aviation is awesome but not at Euro American School of Aviation. Rumors say that they'll probably close down or go out of business soon, so whatever you do do not invest your time and money here!!!

[selfin]

Easa Victim,

Have you gathered supporting evidence for those claims?

[dera]

Are they able to provide Part 61 FAA training still?

[Gomrath]

Originally Posted by dera

Are they able to provide Part 61 FAA training still?

Even if they are able to continue to provide Part 61 - they will still need to sponsor your visa so you should check into that.
However, you have your pick of a large number of flights schools in the US to choose from.