elmore81

Hi all,

I'm fairly new here and i have been seeking advice by searching through the archived topics but i think its best to just come out and ask.

Approximately this time last year i took and failed my cpl skills test. Now i have no intention of stopping and i am just about to go back and finish after saving/borrowing the rest of the money i will need to get right up to mcc.

What i need to know is how this is going to effect me and my job prospects going forward? I know its tough out there as a low hours pilot, people keep saying it will improve but i haven't seen any marked improvement since about 2005 when i started my first ground crew job at a flying school. My worry is that i am even less employable now, i wanted to work for Ryanair, but i think that may not be possible now?

I just what honest advice about what i can expect after i finish all my flight training next year and i start looking for a job.

Thanks in advance

Salbar

A CPL fail does in no way mean that you are unemployable. If that were the case there'd be a lot less pilots flying, a lot more jobs up for grabs and a lot more "lucky" pilots that may not be as competent as you are.

I passed first time on every test i've done in aviation, but that does NOT mean i'm a better pilot than you or anyone else. It means that one or more different factors were in play the day I took the exam.

1. The examiner was a down to earth guy who knows every student is nervous
2. The examiner had a good day
3. The route given to me was one of the easier ones
4. The weather was CAVOK
5. I'd had a good nights sleep
... and so on and so on

I won't lie to you. Getting in to Ryanair will be difficult. But luckily Ryanair is not the only airline taking in low-timers, though at this moment it is one of the few. Getting a first pass on your CPL should motivate you, but not getting one should motivate you even more. If you're persistent, hard-working and motivated, you'll land a job sometime. You'll need the money though, as even first time passes in every single possible test you've ever done, is still worth nothing if you don't have the cash.

Getting a job is today mostly about luck. Do you have the money? Do you know the right people? Do you have the right nationality? Do you know the right language?

The faster you accept these premises and you are willing to face giving up a couple (or more) years flying in a place you wouldn't even visit if you were paid to, the faster you will get a job.

It's tough. It's unfair. It's commonplace for more than just pilots today.

Jetpipe.

I 've seen a totally incompetent pilot make it through because his instructor suggested him to split the examination in CPL-ME route one day and IR-ME another plus lots of extra hours... And I ve seen others, really competent ones being failed because of a bad day + strict examiner combination!

Life is just not fair!

joejet

Don't worry,

Keep pressing on, learn from your mistakes and forge ahead. If the topic comes up, just turn it into a positive. What changes did you make to over come your difficulty, and how is that change being applied in the things you do now. That is what we call "experience". The best pilots learn from their mistakes.

As for me, I failed my first instrument ride. It was in a twin engine at the end of my course. The world didn't end, I just worked harder.

Now I fly 747-400s.

Keep working hard

jimbols6

just keep going mate have another go at it. I failed my CPL first time round, just a bad day and head not in the game.

pick yourself up and have another go at it, dnt let the first time pass thing bother you, theres nothing you can do about it now anyway.

good luck