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Learn to fly with our new part-sponsored Multi Pilot Licence programme (MPL) at Stella aviation academy and become a First Officer on Flybe’s Q400 fleet in 2014. Europe’s largest regional airline, Flybe, has selected Netherlands headquartered pilot training organisation Stella aviation academy as a training partner for a new part-sponsored Multi Pilot Licence programme.
I might be wrong, since my info is based on the convesations with my fellow aviators mates therefore not proven with any facts, but as I understood MPS - Multi Pilot License is a license allowing you to fly with only another certified pilot and you will be flying only this type of the airplane and for only this airliner for the contract you signed. Also once you reach 1500 hours your MPL will be converted to ATPL.
MPL - no fly GA. no fly as FI. fATPL - allowed: FI, GA flights, leasure flights, whatever flights.
Basically with MPL the company just owes you and you must agree with any task it gives (well as I see it) Although I would still preffer going to MPL instead of ATPL just personal preference.
But considering this deal... I must say it looks more like a rip-off. 100k and Flybe sponsores something like 23k. You are still left to pay pretty much the same amount you pay for fATPL Integrated. Also everything upfront with no guarantee of an instant job and no security on the money in case (everything can happen!) you fail. Personally for me - totally unacceptable.
Upon acceptance on the course Flybe will supply you with a Training Agreement and make a contribution of £23,760 towards the cost of your training with Stella aviation academy. The cost of the course is €97.500 which is paid in advance. (NB all prices are inclusive of any applicable taxes) Full details of the payment schedule
Does the cost of the course include the contribution from Flybe(£23,760)? or it has to be subtracted, in this case it will be around €60,000. They don't mention flight hours, does anyone know how many hours they will complete?
Last edited by future-pilot; 16th Jul 2012 at 07:38.
@sagit If you want to fly at a flying club: don't do an MPL. If you want to be trained the WW2 way, dont do an MPL. If you want to be a professional pilot you might want to read the why the MPL was started before making stupid comments:
Thank you for not bothering understanding what I said and repeating my post in one sentence (second one is actually a good go).
All I ment is that ATPL gives your more freedoms at the very start of the licence issue. Despite that I would still choose MPL since I see no probs restricting myself for 2-3 years. Also I was giving a reply regarding the differences between fATPL and MPL as the guy above requested. And since noone answered decided to share what I heard.
And if you check it out MPL is quite similar to fATPL training at the early stages. Just that MPL is more specific than fATPL.
Nothing stupid in my post except maybe only the composition since I am at work now and can reply in short breaks from work I have.
Thank you for your aggresive pseudo-educationally-knowledgable reply, I will try not to post STUPID posts in the future.
I got through to the final interviews with FlyBe a few years ago. I recommend ANYONE who is looking into this to really do their sums first. It might appear rosy and great to get a sponsorship, but it's not.
To me, as I'd have had to taken out full 85k OAA loan, then add on the loan from FlyBe, pay that back with their starting wage at the time, would have ended up with a very poor wage in the region of 13k. In my opinion, it is not possible to live on 13k a year these days.
Look beyond the fancy headlines and shiny glossy website, the small print shows this not to be a good deal. Take that from someone who very nearly got the chance to do this and bankrupt himself in the process. Fortunately I didn't make the cut out of the final 12 (they wanted 6) as it saved me the hassle of saying no!
Fortunately I didn't make the cut out of the final 12 (they wanted 6) as it saved me the hassle of saying no!
Out of interest: what other route did you find into aviation without making less than 80K debt and with a job at the end flying for a proper operator? I think that there are only 2 options open at moment that involve some kind of sponsorship and a job at the end: This one and the one from FTE for Citiflyer....
Deal at the time was £20K up front contribution to the cost of OAA MPL, which reduced cost of said MPL to £65K.
FO salary was £24K, reduced by £4K per year for 5 years to repay Flybe loan. I make that £20K salary minimum in first year.
Repayment of any further borrowings to fund MPL have nothing whatsoever to do with Flybe salary, or take home pay. As for living on £13K a year, plenty of cabin crew manage it and don't whinge and moan because they're not a bit precious.
There is nothing clever or heroic in working for a s**t salary, especially in something which has unsocial hours, a degree of responsibility not present in many other jobs, and also some element of risk ( have you tried getting a quote for life insurance ?).
A substantial number of cabin crew only put up with what you describe for a limited period of time. I recall a light-hearted conversation with crew controllers at the last job I did with an airline; the average was about 2.5 years ! They then moved on to doing a ground job, or went to work for Sainsburys earning the same money for a lot less hassle and better hours.
You may be prepared to swallow. Best of luck to you, but Eyon would be quite right to decide to spit, if he thought the sums did not add up.
Especially since you can do a Modular course for approximately half of what an Integrated or MPL costs. And members of the public are not flown around by MPLs with just 90 hours flying in a real aircraft, none of it without someone next to them holding their hand.
So who's good at sums now ? Just how low will it sink when there are characters like you around, who no doubt are also fans of internships and sharecropping.