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If you are part of an aircraft share, say a fully equipped BE76, is it possible to do your CPL & IR training in the aircraft providing you fly from a licensed aerodrome with a fully licensed instructor?

Stan Evil

Training for the CPL and IR can only be carried out at a Flying Training Organisation (FTO) (an Approved Training Organisation (ATO) in EASA-speak). All the aeroplanes used by the FTO/ATO must be approved by the CAA and operated to the SOPs and checklists similarly approved. If you go to a school that currently uses Be76s then you may be able to get them to get your aeroplane approved as long as it meets the appropriate maintenance requirements (engines changed on life and not condition).

BillieBob

When Part-FCL comes into force (17th Sept in the UK) the requirement for approval of aircraft disappears. In any case, the idea that individual airframes need to be approved is more about jobs for the CAA boys than compliance with JAR-FCL. AFAIK, the UK is the only JAA state that interprets the requirements in this way; normally the type is approved for training and that's it.

Any FTO (forget ATOs for the foreseeable future) with approval for the CPL and IR can, quite easily, get another aircraft approved but, if it is of a type that they don't normally use, they will, in the UK at least, have to develop (or, more usually, copy from another FTO) class rating theoretical knowledge examinations related to the type for approval by the Authority. Consequently, if the FTO do not already use the type, it is not worth their while to go through the approval process for a single trainee.

Normally, a training aircraft would need to be maintained to public transport standards but, as in this case, if no payment is being made for hire of the aircraft, this becomes irrelevant.

Mickey Kaye

"they will, in the UK at least, have to develop (or, more usually, copy from another FTO) class rating theoretical knowledge examinations related to the type for approval by the Authority"

Which the authority then reject even though they are exactly as previously approved at 3 previous FTOs.

mrmum

Just exactly the same as they do with borrowed/copied manuals for AOC applications, it's just a revenue generating scam, for multiple, chargeable, repeat visits. Not surprising that hardly anyone applies for an A-A AOC.

Shunter

I didn't need any approvals for the /training/, just for the tests. A couple of forms to fill and CAA staff examiner has a look round it and gives it the thumbs up. For IR you obviously need screens, but providing they meet the requirements they can be cardboard.

Cobalt

That procedure for approval of an aircraft for the skill test (with a CAA examiner coming around) is no longer required, the CAA rescinded it effecive 8 April 2012 - although their guidance is that the FTO should apply the same standards as before, for example with the CFI doing the inspection and signing a similar form.

There also is a big difference between ME rating training and IR training.

As BillieBob writes, for a Multi-Engine class rating, the school has to have three CAA approved exam papers, because the MEP class rating contains 40% type specific questions, and the exams are held at the school. They are writte by the school and approved by the CAA.

For the IR and the CPL, there is no such test, and a form SRG2111 to notify the CAA that you will use a particular aircraft for training should be sufficient.

And in the OP's question, the aircraft would be a BE76 Duchess, a fairly common training type anyway.

The main reason why a flying school might not want to do it, I suspect, is that they want utilisation of their aircraft and the corresponding revenue.