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Old 30th Jan 2012, 21:49   #41 (permalink)

 
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 08:31   #42 (permalink)
 
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Mass and Balance Questions - Traffic Load

I wonder if there are any brain boxes out there who can shed some light on this question? I have (as far as I am aware) followed the correct proceedure of how to calculate a Traffic Load.

MTOM: 170 000kg
ZFM: 112 500kg
MLM: 148 500kg
DOM: 80 400kg
TAXI FUEL: 800KG
BLOCK FUEL: 40 000KG
TRIP FUEL: 29 000KG.

Question asks for the traffic load which can be carried.
Here are the choices:
A) 32 100kg
B) 32 900kg
C) 18 900kg
D) 40 400kg

My calculations:

(*1) (I have calculated MTOM fuel to be block fuel (40 000kg) - taxi fuel (800kg) = (32 000kg) )

(*2) (I have calculated MLM fuel to be block fuel (40 000kg) - taxi fuel (800kg) - trip fuel (29 000kg) = 10 200kg

MTOM / ZFM / MLM
LIMIT 170 000kg / 112 500kg / 148 500kg
DOM 80 400kg / 80 400kg / 80 400kg
FUEL 39 200kg (*1) / ------- / 10 200kg (*2)

=TRAFFIC LOAD 50 400kg / 31 600kg / 59 900kg

THE CORRECT ANSWER SHOULD BE A but I don't get anywher near that!

Can anyone tell me where i have gone wrong? I thought that I had these mass and balance questions sorted

I'm currently studying with Bristol, but the question was taken from 'The Daily ATPL' website.

I would be so grateful if anyone could help me
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 08:56   #43 (permalink)
 
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The most limiting factor for this flight is:

MZFM - DOM = TL

112500 - 80400 = 32100 kg

Not sure how you got 31 600kg out of that calculation
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 08:58   #44 (permalink)
 
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Your problems started with your very first statement:

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(I have calculated MTOM fuel to be block fuel (40 000kg) - taxi fuel (800kg) = (32 000kg) )
Re-check your maths - you're already almost 8 tonnes adrift...
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 09:29   #45 (permalink)
 
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ChriSat - thanks for your reply! I have no idea how I arrived at that either. I blame the calculator! I now see that I was working it out correctly, but I must have put in the wrong values or copied down the answer incorrectly.

pilotmike - thank you for your reply also. I see what you're saying, I meant to say 39 200kgs
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Old 13th Feb 2012, 19:19   #46 (permalink)
 
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PoF theory questions

Hi,

please help me to solve the following problems(providing an explanation):

1.If an airplane glides at an angle of attack of 10°, how much altitude will it lose in 1 mile?
A:240 feet.
B: 480 feet.
C: 960 feet.

2.How much altitude will this airplane lose in 3 miles of gliding at an angle of attack of 8°?
A:440 feet.
B: 880 feet.
C: 1,320 feet.

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Old 14th Feb 2012, 10:30   #47 (permalink)
 
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The questions are based n the equation:

Glide Range = Height x L/D ratio

Rearranging this gives

Height = Glide Range / L/D ratio.

The diagram shows that

L/D ratio at 10 degrees angle of attack = approximately 11.2

L/D ratio at 8 degress angle of attack = approximately 12.2

If we assume that the 1 mile and 3 mile in the question are nautical miles and assuming 1 nm = 1680 feet we get

For 10 degrees height = 6080 / 11.2 = 542 ft

For 8 degrees height = 6080 x 3 / 12.2 = 1495 feet

These answers are not very close to the options given

But if we assume that the 1 mile and 3 mile in the question are statute miles (5280 feet) we get

For 10 degrees height = 5280 / 11.2 = 471 ft

For 8 degrees height = 5280 x 3 / 12.2 = 1298 feet

These are closer to the options of 480 feet and 1320 feet.

These are very unusual questions and are clearly not from the JAR ATPL system. Where did they come from?
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Old 14th Feb 2012, 13:31   #48 (permalink)
 
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Hello everybody

They are from the Peruvian CPL question bank. I asked Max for help with the question because I am here doing a license conversion I don't have any books with me.

Great answer, thanks a lot!

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Old 14th Feb 2012, 15:10   #49 (permalink)
 
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Ola peruano

While you are here could you pse say how QNH is calculated at high altitude airfields like Cuzco and La Paz

Dick
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Old 14th Feb 2012, 15:45   #50 (permalink)
 
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ola gringo

I guess it's calculated just like at any airfield in the world, that is adjusted to sea level.

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Old 14th Feb 2012, 16:13   #51 (permalink)
 
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Gracias S

I had an idea that for high altitude fields a different datum was used.

No soy gringo, soy ingles - as I have had to say many times in Ecuador

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Old 14th Feb 2012, 16:27   #52 (permalink)
 
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Don't mention it

I know you are ingles but I noticed that here they don't make the difference... it was meant as a joke, sorry about that.

Cheers
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Old 16th Feb 2012, 11:31   #53 (permalink)
 
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Altimetry Help

Good afternoon,

I think this is what it feels like to have mental block! I have just got 99 out of 100 altimetry questions correct, but I just can't work this one out for some reason. Maybe I'm staring too hard trying to find the right answer that I'm missing the obvious solution, but it's something I'd like to get clear in my head either way. You may ask why I'm so bothered when it's only one question out of 100 - well, because it's 'sods law' that it'll come up in the exam! This same question has been answered further up the thread, but it doesn't help solve the confusion in my case. Here goes:

"You plan a flight over a mountain range at a true altitude of 15000ft/AMSL. The air is on average 15C colder than than ISA, the pressure at sea level is 1003 hPa. What approximate altitude should the altimeter read (pressure setting 1013 hPa)?"

Now I'm quite good at remembering and re-arranging mathematical formulas as opposed to rules (just a personal preference), and so I use:

True Altitude = Altitude on QNH + [(ISA Deviation x 4) x (Pressure Altitude/1000)] and I've always got the answer to similar style questions spot on!

With the question above though, I can't get my head around which one of the missing components I'm actually looking for? We're given the True Altitude as 15,000ft, and I know that the ISA Deviation x 4 = -60, and so that means I either need to find the Altitude on the QNH or the pressure altitude, but I can't work out which.

Is anyone able to help explain using my formula? The answer by the way is supposedly 16,230', although I'm aware with these that the answers are quite often 50' out and you just have to pick the closest one.

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 16th Feb 2012, 17:32   #54 (permalink)
 
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Rearranging your equation

True Altitude = Altitude on QNH + [(ISA Deviation x 4) x (Pressure Altitude/1000)]

Gives

Alt on QNH = True Altitude - [(ISA Dev x 4) x (Pressure Alt/1000)]

Inserting the data provided gives

Alt on QNH = 15000 – ((-15 x 4 x 15) = 15900

But we are going to use 1013 which is 10 HPA higher than QNH.

Using 27 ft / Hpa this means that the 1013 level is 270 feet below msl

So adding 270 to 15900 gives an indicated altitude of 16170 feet.

At that altitude the estimated lapse rate of of 27 feet per Hpa is a bit too low. It looks as if the examiner has used 33 ft per HPa (30 HPa per 1000 ft) which is probably more realistic.
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Old 16th Feb 2012, 18:23   #55 (permalink)
 
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That's brilliant Keith, I think I've pretty much got it now!

Am I right in thinking that you're effectively working out what the Altitude on the QNH would be (1003 set) and so therefore Pressure Altitude is the same as True Altitude in the initial calculation? And then you're taking in to account the variation between sea level QNH and 1013?
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Old 16th Feb 2012, 20:48   #56 (permalink)
 
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Your equation isn't quite correct.

It should be

TA = IA + (4 x IA/1000 x ISA Dev) + (27 x (QNH – Subscale))

Where
TA = true altitude,
IA = indicated altitude,
Subscale = altimeter subscale setting,
ISA Dev = ISA temperature deviation

Strictly speaking the term "Pressure Altitude" means the altimeter reading when 1013 is set on the subscale. So if we were to use Pressure Altitude instead of indicated altitude in the above equation we would be applying the temperature error from the 1013 level upwards.

My use of TA in ,y previous post was an error. Using the above equation we can solve the problem as follows.


TA = IA + (4 x IA/1000 x ISA Dev) + (27 x (QNH – Subscale))


ISA Deviation = -15
True Altitude = 15000 ft
QNH = 1003

TA – (27 x (QNH-Subscale setting) = IA + ( (4 x IA x ISA Dev)/1000 )

Inserting the data provided in the question gives

15000 – ( 27 x (1003 – 1013) = IA + (4 x IA x (–15) ) / 1000 )

15000 + 270 = IA – 0.06 IA

15270 = 0.94 IA

15270 / 0.94 = IA

16244 = IA

So Indicated Altitude = 16244 feet

This is not quite the correct answer of 16230, but it is pretty close to it.



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Old 26th Mar 2012, 18:06   #57 (permalink)
 
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AC Electrics

Hey guys, I could use some input on this one.

If an alternator is run at below normal frequency, then:
A) Electric motors will stop.
B) Inductive devices will overheat.
C) Lights will become dim.
D) Lights will become brighter.

The correct(?) answer is B. I agree that if the frequency is below normal, that would mean that the inductive reactance is lower and thus the current will be higher, but conversely, a lower frequency would also mean that capacative reactance would be higher, thus giving a lower current, which should balance the lower inductive reactance, as there is no mention of one reactance being more dominant than the other, or any one kind of reactance at all for that matter, other than what might possibly be deducted when the answer alternatives are examined. Am I to assume that the other alternatives, being placed in a purely capacative reactant circuit couldn't occur in the case of decreased frequency?

-Anders
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Old 27th Mar 2012, 13:59   #58 (permalink)
 
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This is a case (just one of many) where the examiners have made some simplfiying assumptons, but have not stated what these assumptions were.

All they really want you to do is to note that reducing frequency reduces inductive reactance so for a given applied voltage the current through inductors will increase.

As you have said the situation is much more complicated in real circuits where different types of component are connected in various ways.

But if you look at the other options, the voltage regulator should prevent these effects unless the RPM is very much lower than standard.
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Old 30th Mar 2012, 14:41   #59 (permalink)
 
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Blimey Keith!

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What is a suction peak in terms of principles of flight.
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