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Old 26th Jan 2010, 18:36   #21 (permalink)
 
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Electronic CV's can be searched for keywords much like Google searches the internet. Paper CV's could be scanned in before they're searched, or perhaps just ignored completely. No human bias, so no discrimination.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 18:36   #22 (permalink)

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The modular figures being quoted are accurate. I went from zero to CPL/IR & MCC in around 45k all in, including accommodation (for the commercial training) and 1,000 or so for a partial retest of the CPL. Finished in late 2007.

I now have the same job as people who spent nearly double.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 18:41   #23 (permalink)
 
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WWW, he is on the interview panel and a training captain in this airline. This is what the man told me and I dont think its illegal for an airline to prefer graduates from certain schools. If that schools graduates have met there standards why not want more of the same?

I just thought Id throw this in. I agree completely with going modular I think it makes much better pilots. Maybe just be careful which school you choose to go modular with.

Thank you Bhenderson, so looks like my post wasnt "bullshit" WWW.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 18:47   #24 (permalink)
 
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EIN-Con,

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Who monitors the legal requirements regarding discrimination law with its huge penalties?
WWW isn't saying prefering graduates from a certain school is discriminatory, he's asking who looks after the legal requirements of any discrimination laws.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 18:57   #25 (permalink)
 
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I just put this in I dont moniter the computer or work in recruitment but I would imagine its not discrimination ruling someone out because of what school they trained at. There not ruling you out because of your age or anything there ruling you out on the schools reputation just like in any other job where you might not get the job due to where you went to college or trained.

Anyways I dont want to get into the ins and outs of it as I dont work in recruitment. Just said Id put it in to try and aid people in there decision making. Take it or leave it.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 19:07   #26 (permalink)
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I'll leave it thanks.

Any recruitment process that didn't self monitor itself for discrimination would be gash and opening itself to a massive claim if it were done by any reputable employers in any reputable country.

Whatever the employer you refer to choses to do is probably indicative of the regard it is held in by other airline pilots.

That's not a compliment BTW.


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Old 26th Jan 2010, 19:10   #27 (permalink)
 
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And BTW its not Ryanair.

anyways back to the thread.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 19:19   #28 (permalink)
 
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I went modular starting in april 2008 groundschool bcft multi cpl/ir at pat and mcc at european all were top notch and I spent all together less than 40 large , adn funnily enough my blue book looks identical to the ones gained at oaa etc ect etc.
Now working as an instructor and we are getting endless cv's from many oaa/fte/cabair and even ctc graduates who arent working . and maybe by just pure coincidence none of them are time served working individuals with life experince behind them , they are all under 22 and sound like prince william , Hewitts lad .
Enjoy spending the extra money integrated wombles
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 19:43   #29 (permalink)
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many applications that they all initially go into a computer. The computers job is to filter them down. So it looks for kep works like maybe first time pass etc and it also goes off a list of flight schools.
So just put: "OxfordCTCJerezCabair" in 1-point font with white foreground on white background.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 19:48   #30 (permalink)
 
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Just to add further weight to this thread, I completed my IR last week at Stapleford. Total cost (including charts, headsets and all the other misc items) was 42K from "zero to hero". Oh, this also includes the MCC course I've prepaid.

ATPL's full time via London met, hour building in the States.

When I started looking for training, CTC quoted 67K, so I feel I'm 25K in the black.

Please PM if you have any questions.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 19:56   #31 (permalink)
 
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v6g maybe worth a try!
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 22:56   #32 (permalink)
 
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Total training cost around 35K, saved a little thanks to solo hours from Air Cadets and University Air Squadron, plus getting a PPL years ago when it was much much cheaper!

All flight training in the UK apart from 40 odd hours of flying around the states, minimal debt, doing CPL and IR on a part time basis at full time speed, thanks to a very decent and understanding employer.

Integrated is rubbish and for many people I know it has meant loads of debt, no job and no future. Don't forget you need to add two years loss of income to the cost of an integrated course! I never lost a penny in earnings due to flight training!
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 08:23   #33 (permalink)
 
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well done!! you will look back and realise you have made the correct choice.

Remember by remaining debt free it will leave you more choices when you pass, i hope others follow your lead.
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 09:04   #34 (permalink)
 
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And I know someone who graduated either beginning of last year or before from FTE and hasn't had any flying job whats so ever and he'd be 80-90k in debt/out of pocket, or his parents will I should say.

These large schools do have their airline contacts and can potentially help with getting that foot in the door, but they aren't much use right now, with airlines handing back pilots or going on flexi-contracts so they have the flexibility - but this is something one would expect whilst in a recession/difficult period, just like this Line Training payment issue.

Also a debt free pilot here with life experience, sure helps one sleep at night. but taken 10yrs so far.

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Old 29th Jan 2010, 15:41   #35 (permalink)
 
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I hate to say it - but if that is the case it shows just how bright some of these sky gods are..Why on gods earth would someone pay that difference!! idiots!

Half of their spin is because the school is at oxford, without doubts it envokes images of the university and mummy and daddy are so proud little johhny went to oxford, didnt he do well.

I bet a school in wolverhampton would not be able to charge those fees!!
I think you might be right on that last point!
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 11:20   #36 (permalink)
 
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Paying double - No thanks

Just like High-higher, I have been saved. Guys like WWW get a lot of stick on here but clearly know what they are talking about. I've got a friend who just told me he's going to Oxford. Thats his decision but hey, i doubt hes done any research. A 2 minute flick through these pages and its clear to see what sort of state the industry is in. Does finishing a little quicker justify spending an extra 40 grand? Hell we wouldnt even earn that IF we got a job straight after training. Modular for me please...
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 12:57   #37 (permalink)
 
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Modular route for me too....

Cost me about 50k all in and I sold my house to pay for it. All training post PPL was with a modular schoolin the UK.

I could have saved so much money through better decisions/better luck, but I'm comfortable with the money I spent and, now employed with a TP operator in the UK, happy I did it.
  • Hours building in the US would have saved me thousands but on the flip side my experience of UK/EU airspace/phrasology etc wouldn't have been as sharp.
  • I was a knob and paid for the PPL course up front and lost half my money when welshpool went bust after completing 25 hours ish.
  • I could have swapped full time groudschool for distance learning but as I left education some 10 years earlier, I elected to be spoon fed the info

Would I do it again given the choice? yep, every time. Didn't like the house much anyway
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 16:41   #38 (permalink)
 
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I think it should be remembered also that many (but certainly not all) guys&girls embarking upon an integrated course are funding their training thru the Bank of Mum and Dad. And unfortunetly its a lot easier to fritter away money that you have never actually have earned yourself.........
So the question of probably doesnt figure too high in some peoples priorities. As long as the parents can boast that "little Giles is training to be a pilot at Oxford" the FTOs have completed their part of the deal. By the way,im not having a go at anyone here..im just stating a fact!
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 21:28   #39 (permalink)
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I did modular

Hi,
I'm new to this forum, and i wanted to confirm that also in my country (Romania) modular training is far less that integrated one.For example:

Integrated fATPL =62.000 euros

Modular training: PPL=9.000euros (45h)
Night rating=735 (5h)
ExperiencePPL=7.350euros (50h)
Theoretical ATPL= 5.000euros (650h)
IR flight = 2.200 euros (15h)
MEP=5800 (14h)
ExperienceCPL=4410
One hour with cessna172 SEP=147euros
One hour with piper seneca MEP=421euros
If u add this it will be=33.500 but with other small expenses like licensing, R/T licence, travelling, and others it will be around 35.000-36.000 euros
So...it is a huge diference beetween the two training possibilities.
I hope this helped you,
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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 13:06   #40 (permalink)


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Hi Guys,

I read these threads with great intrest. From a young wipper snapper it has always been my dream to fly and up untill recently that dream has seemed a million miles away as i just did not have the financial means to fund the training. HOWEVER, now a certain twist of fate does show me some light at the end of the tunnle. Clearly from reading these forums i would not entertain an intergrated course with Oxford etc.

A few questions though that i would love you to pick away at......

1.These intergrated courses speak of contiunity of training, structured development....will recruiting airlines take this same view or are they just interested in the fact of the qualification u have rather than the way you got there....

2.I was looking at going to EFT in Florida to do a fast track cpl....$46k
for ppl,night,cpl,me,and jaa ir........this also seems very reasonable and after trauling through PPRuNe found hardly a bad word to say about EFT ?? But could i get better training than this at a similar price if i pick and choose between schools.......this to me just seemed sort of the best of both worlds.....good price, decent structure and time frame and what appears to be a well spoke of establishment.

thanks for your time
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