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Old 2nd Nov 2011, 17:29
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Hi aviators,

I am currently living in Chelmsford (Essex) and working in a hospital, saving as much as possible to pay my ATPL, CPL, IR...I´m going to start the ATPL (Distance learning) in the next few weeks and the next year going on with the rest.

Will I be able to do CPL, IR, and ME and working at the same time?? I got a permanent job ( 3 long days on, 4 days off) in my ward so that´s why I can pay these expensive studies, i would prefer not leaving my job until everything has been paid.

How long does it take doing these last 3 licences ? CPL, IR and ME is all about flying or I´ll have to go to classes as well??

Any help will be appreciated.

A young spanish ppl struggling to become a PILOT.
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 18:47
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Arrow

Just a quick thought, especially if like me you are thinking about which training provider to use....

The Government doesn't recognise student pilots as official students, so we are hoping to bring this issue to their attention.

Class pilots in training as students - e-petitions

Please add your signature to this, 100,000 seems along way off but I think we can get there.

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Old 8th Nov 2011, 09:01
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After reading this thread have I got it right from what people are saying? If going integrated then go CTC? If going modular choose pretty much anyone? I went to the CTC open day on Saturday and they claim that if you pass with them they have a 100% placement with an airline.
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I would be very careful of any flying training orgranisation making such claims.
Airlines will only take pilots if they need them. The law of supply and demand.

Read the small print and the T & Cs, what does "placement" actually mean?
Many years ago some BA cadets were "placed" as cabin staff until a flight crew job became available.

Even if there was the possiblity of a placement TODAY, that might not be the case when you qualify in 15 months time. It could be the greatest pilot demand since 1940, on the other hand.... and NOBODY really knows.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 09:14
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I did think it would be too good to be true. Also using one of the links above shows Easyjet took on 70 odd last year yet at the open day they said they took about 200.

Another thing that annoyed me was that they said they placed you in rented accommodation near the training facility. When I asked if I could just stay at home seen as I live less than 10 miles away they basically said no!

Have decided to go modular. Has anyone used PAT in Bournemouth? Going to speak to them shortly to see what they have to say.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 12:16
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They were getting through with CTC before they went intergrated. There is virually no change in the course though between then and now.

CTC have sown up that end of the hours range.

And although on a crappy TP I know of 5 low houred wannbies who have just got jobs and are starting type ratings. Only one of them is intergrated and he wasn't going to get the job but his dad knows the owner so he is getting in even though the trainers arn't to happy about it.
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Old 16th Nov 2011, 20:21
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Poeli:

"It is cheaper, but the question I ask myself: will you get a job with it in the end? Because that's what it's all about: get a job and earn more than you invested.
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I think that has already been answered, ie: YOU ask yourself: will you get a job with an integrated FTO ? And also - if "thats what its all about" get a job as a banker.

I will give you my example just so you see where some people stand.

I have SAVED (through working my arse off for the last 8 years) for my PPL (I have just progressed into navigation), and the ATPL theory, CPL, IR,ME that will follow. What that means in plain english, is that I have enough CASH to be 100% debt free and with a nice little blue CAA folder under my arm in a years time or so - PROVIDED I DO IT MODULAR.

What happens then ? - Well, if I DO NOT get a "proper" job then I will not have 800 pounds a month repayments and will easily be able to stay current & perhaps think of an instuctors rating if the "proper" job doesnt materialise too soon. To me taking the integrated course would mean inability to maintain my license/ratings once I attain them due to severe debt.

In any case, I would not have the heart to ask my mum/dad to remortgage their house for such a gamble. Yes, its hard to get a "proper" flying job but t**gh sh*t, just get on with it - Im spending all of my life savings but dont moan about it because I love flying.

As for people giving it all this"...there is no jobs, its a waste of time..." sure, there is no farkin jobs, BUT - do you love flying or do you just want to pull chicks in your (insert a posh airline name here) uniform & aviators, while getting paid 100k for the pleasure ???
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Old 17th Nov 2011, 18:42
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Totally agree with chuck-ski!
At the moment, I have my ppl, currently hour building in my spare time where I can as I'm working my butt off saving money (£1000 per month). I do have time on my side as I'm only 19 and luckily have a full time job in an atc unit.
And as for jobs, I worked as cabin crew for 6 months prior, and in aviation I found out it's not about what you do, it's about who you know. So why would I spend an extra £30k on going integrated?! Keep going and you'll get there
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 08:04
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Help with renewal of LR

Hey,

Can anyone help me as my LR is lapsed and my IR will be down too in march. According to DGCA where can i renew it and how much sim time will i have to do get that renewed. If i renew the LR than will my IR be renewed automatically with it or will i have to do some extra flying? And where can i get it done?
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 08:41
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I don't think many folk here will have a clue about Indian licensing system. This thread is nearly all about the two deferent methods of completing commercial training in the UK.
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Old 2nd Jan 2012, 14:32
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The old will I get a job?

I know two people in the last 3 months to leave Oxford Integrated and do a FI course and still not get one. One did have an interview with Ryanair; but didn't actually get it. So he paid 30k for that interview you could perhaps argue?

In every career you will have those that work their way up and those that are looking for the fast track to the top. The fast track is high reward high risk; which the large FTO's jazz up their chances. You never get a ratio of the success rate because it wouldn't be so glossy.

Can you justify an extra 30k for the same quality of training? A nice lady organising the course for you? Not to mention the fact you have interest and taxed earnings taking your 70k to close to 160-180k to actually repay to the bank. If you can't then modular or choose a different career.

It doesn't help that students can get 9k + bursaries in goverment loans for their education for ridiculus courses such as warehouse management and david beckham studies. And for us their isn't anything.
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Think about it, why would the gouvernment give money for training when there are not enough jobs for everyone who did the training WITHOUT the money?
That would also be a waste in my opinion. It would make flight training slightly cheaper but won't change the current job situation.
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Old 9th Jan 2012, 07:04
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It doesn't help that students can get 9k + bursaries in goverment loans for their education for ridiculus courses such as warehouse management and david beckham studies. And for us their isn't anything.
It gives loans. The government however only gives the universities money to run courses that they perceive as useful (engineering, medicine, science...); the "ladies basket weaving" courses are run entirely on student fees (borrowed and they have to give back).

There are serious problems with the loans system of-course, and I'm sure student pilots would like a chance to take one of those loans out, but the government isn't subsidising most of those courses beyond the loan interest via the student loan company.
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 12:10
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I did not realise that was the case. However in the UK I know alot of people that went to Uni for courses that won't help them get a job at the end of it and the student loans company does help them out.

People that would be better off going and getting a job. People are having to work for longer because people are coming into the tax system at 21-23.

When you look at 100k to get a job. You'd be better off buying half a house and going to work at Tesco.
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Old 11th Jan 2012, 18:28
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I'm really wanting to be a commercial pilot, hopefully one day for a large airline. At the moment, money is looking like it's going to be a big issue, so, Modular seems like the way forwards, but, I'm really worried I will walk out with my (f)ATPL, go and get a type rating, and then, after being around £54k in debt, have no job at the end. At least with an integrated you are sometimes practically guaranteed one, at least for a 'summer job', but then, at least after that, you have the experience, so are maybe more attractive to potential employees. A friend of my brothers is now a pilot for Ryanair, having gone down the Integrated route at OAA (His parents have money flowing out their ears), and he says that people who go integrated are much more attractive to airlines than modular, because it's quicker and shows dedication (or something like that). Is this true? I'm only 16 at the moment, but, we hardly have any money, so, it looks like it'll be the modular route for me.

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Old 11th Jan 2012, 18:44
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people who go integrated are much more attractive to airlines than modular, because it's quicker and shows dedication (or something like that). Is this true?
More dedicated than someone who is funding their training the modular route by working 60 hours a week and knowing they are going to be doing that for a couple more years before they have just their bare licences in their hands!?
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Old 11th Jan 2012, 18:56
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Ah, yeah, good point, although the modular route can only last 18 months if you do it full time?
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Old 11th Jan 2012, 20:13
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I believe that only applies to the groundschool exams. I.e. you have 18 months after you've completed your first exam to finish the rest. Once the last exam is complete you then have 36 months in which to gain your CPL/IR.
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Old 13th Jan 2012, 17:35
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As in, if you do the course full time, at FABlackpool, for example, they say they can get you through from zero-(f)ATPL in 18 months
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Yes totally agree keep pushing. Go and work as cabin crew for a year anything...there are loads of different ways push push push don't fall by the wayside. 8/10 milionairs were financially bankrupt you need to take some risks keep pushing in anything you do success will come.

"I don't say I can't, I ONLY SAY I CAN" Arnold schwarzenegger. Professional bodybuilder, 1st Austrain Governer of Calif.

How many people did he prove wrong that told him it can't be done.
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