pilotwanabe

Hi,
Lasors section F3.3 :"Revalidation of Multi-Engine Piston (Land) class ratings requires a proficiency check with a JAR Authorised Examiner within the 3 months preceding the expiry date of the rating"......."The LST/LPC form, completed as a revalidation, should be sent to CAA PLD"

Lasors section F3.4 :"Where licence holders have been unable to renew a MEP (Land) Class rating for a period not exceeding 5 years from the date of expiry"...."The LST/LPC form, completed as a renewal, should be sent to CAA PLD."

I have found this thread which can't really answer my question : how much shall i budget if i don get a job?

So the questions are :
1) what is the difference between completing the LST/LPC form as a revalidation and completing it as a renewal ? (the LST/LPC form can be found here : http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/FORSRG1157.pdf and it does not provide any guidance as wether there is a difference between the requirements for a revalidation or for a renewal).

2)Since my MEP and my IR have a different validity date, can I let my MEP expire and wait to have to revalidate my IR ME SPA to renew my MEP at the same time ?

portsharbourflyer

The answer is yes you can let the MEP expire and do a combined MEP and IR renewal. Infact that way you only need to pay one examination fee.

With the alternate rule in now, if you renew the IR in the sim the next renewal must be in an aircraft.

pilotwanabe

With all due respect, can you give me a reference to the Lasors (or an other CAA document) that officially confirms that?
Thanks a lot.

FlyBoyFryer

Portsharbourflyer, following on from your post...

What happens when one renews the IR in the aircraft (this year I was allowed to do it in the sim as you correctly stated) - does my MEP get revalidated/renewed then too? Would I be required to carry out all the MEP checks as well as the IR during the same flight then? Basically, a repeat of what took place during my MEP rating checkride?

Not particularly fussed about the MEP (the IR is the all-important I know)... but it would be nice.

Any excuse to spend a bit longer in a DA-42...

portsharbourflyer

Pilotwannabe, prior to moving onto turboprops (as you may know I am no longer flying the heavier stuff) I had done all my renewals in the sim; however this was just before the alternate rule came in.

However my last SPA ME IR renewal was planned to be done in the aircraft as a combined MEP/ME IR renewal, hence why I know you can do a combined renewal. However on this occasion the aircaft went tech and at that point I was in a hurry to get a renewal done. Hence I ended up renewing in the sim. The alternate rule was something I was informed about after my last SPA ME IR renewal by the flight school. So I couldn't give you a reference to LASORs from the top of my head, but nothing to stop you checking the IR section in LASORS.

Flyboy Fryer, If you are renewing the IR in the aircraft, then it would be daft not to get the MEP renewed at the same time; you do need to make sure the examiner is aware that you are being examined for both the MEP and IR. If you think about it the IR test will cover most of the MEP test. The only extra things that need to checked on a MEP/IR renewal compared to an IR renewal will be a few extra items of general handling (minimum control speed demo, full clean stall and steep turns).

Mickey Kaye

Asking as someone who MEP has expired by more than 5 years and who never passed the IR in the first place. Could someone tell me what is the difference between completing the LST/LPC form as a revalidation and completing it as a renewal withot al the IR bit.

culloden

"With the alternate rule in now, if you renew the IR in the sim the next renewal must be in an aircraft."

Not quite true.
You may revalidate the IR alternately by sim and aircraft.... however when the IR has lapsed the renewal has to be completed in an aircraft.

irishone

I just renewal my MEIR last week, I did both the IR and MEP at the same time in the a/c. As a previous poster has said, only have to pay for one fee. I dont have a reference number to lasors for you. But can tell you my MEP was out of date two months Prior to my IR and there was no problem doing it.