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I hope we can have this 'debate' on a flightdeck one day. The very best of luck with your training. Just be careful with it....don't over extend yourself financially.
JB007,
Perhaps you ought to have the courage of your convictions and leave your original post in place. If you think/thought I was an 'arsehole' then why change it?
Its those that are qualifying from training now that are hitting the problem, not those that are about to start. The next 6 months look rocky but you make your own luck in this game. Timing is everything and those that decide to start a training programme now, might just strike it lucky when they finish in 18 - 24 months or so. Things could be quite bouyant again by then.
200+ futura pilots 737 current and qualified looking for work, might take 18 months to absorb them into the current capacity before we get back to where we were yesterday.
200+ futura pilots 737 current and qualified looking for work, might take 18 months to absorb them into the current capacity before we get back to where we were yesterday.
in here, Growing evidence that the downturn is upon us.... the down turn, thread to avoid upsetting the polyannas on the forum. They can look at it now and then for a reality check, hopefully before they sign on the dotted line for a 60k loan or they can choose to ignore it to avoid bursting their bubbles.
By your predictions then of starting in 2012 and not missing the boat, that means being qualified and cv's out by autumn of 2011. Bearing in mind application processe's for courses, organinsing fninances etc then people need to get their skates in about 6 months time.
To be fair, I think we're really speaking about integrated training. According to OAA's info, the course minimum for integrated appears to be circa 65 weeks. Thats not including the application process, nor additional contingency time, nor holiday periods. Looks around 18 months, probably longer, from initial application to licence in hand and cv's out. If you are predicting that 2012 be the year of recruitment again then people need to be ready for interviews come autumn/winter of 2011.
Of course when the airlines do start recruiting again, whether it be in 2012 or not, they will likely hoover up all those swimming in holding pools. The CTC hold pool (for one, and originally unheard of for the wings grads) is fast becoming Olympic sized. But I will be there with my freshly completed Modular Training battling it out with the rest of them!
To be fairer we're talking about both training structures. Integrated takes about 60 weeks - the 65 contains contingency. The application process for most courses only involves posting a cheque. You don't need and probably can't afford holidays.
There is no point having a fresh IR issued in Oct2011 if the first signs of jobs growth occurs in the following year. You'll be a rusty bucket by then.
Several schools will have gone bust and I doubt there will queues to get into those who remain.
The general thread seems to suggest we're speaking about integrated, based on all those who shout about and poo poo anyone who dares suggest signing up on a course for 70k.
As for jobs, if its 2012(your prediction, not mine), then the bottom line is being prepared to start spring time of that year. Licence in hand by the end of 2011 is the place to be. Airlines will know their summer schedules by then.
As for guaranteing a place on an integrated course i'd be starting the ball rolling somewhere around 4 - 6 months minimum beforehand.
Alternatively - if you're in a good job, remain employed and start training now via the modular route and aim to complete the training by March 2011. That way it may be possible to have zero debt, a fATPL and have a chance of employment.
I'm 33 and just considering starting my PPL now. Who knows where it may lead.......
AEA:
"This decision is going to cost us 4.8 billion euros a year,"
"It all has to be compared with the 3.7 billion euros profit that our companies made in 2007, which was a very good year. And 2008 is looking quite different with the hike in fuel prices,"
The general thread seems to suggest we're speaking about integrated, based on all those who shout about and poo poo anyone who dares suggest signing up on a course for 70k.
As for jobs, if its 2012(your prediction, not mine), then the bottom line is being prepared to start spring time of that year. Licence in hand by the end of 2011 is the place to be. Airlines will know their summer schedules by then.
As for guaranteing a place on an integrated course i'd be starting the ball rolling somewhere around 4 - 6 months minimum beforehand.
Nope. 70k for Integrated or 50k for Modular - either way its a lot of money. My predicition was that 2012 might be a year in which you enter the job hunting market by whichever route.
You can get a place on an Integrated course with 6 weeks notice NOW. The other side of the recession only the old timers will remember when you needed to put your name down 6 months in advance to get a course start date.
If its anything like previous recessions there will be people who are prompted into a long contemplated career change by the loss of their current job. Often armed with a bountiful redundancy cheque they will keep the flying training industry ticking over during the bust.
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