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Just wondering if anyone can sherd some light on this school for JAA training??
how good are the instructors??
Is there good aircraft availability??
Is one year realistic to finish the course??
best aircraft to fly out there??
Does anyone know if on the career pilot program you are obliged to finish ther whole course or can you jump ship anytime without penalty??
I went to NAC to build hours a couple of years ago. That was bad enough. To be honest I pity any poor student who is out there doing flight training.
If you want to get treated like an idiot, be taught by instructors who are living literally on the bread line and who come and go more often than customers in a chip shop, Naples is the place to go
Honestly, I would NOT recommend NAC in any way shape or form. You will have items that you have not purchased surreptitously placed on your invoice, be charged double the advertised rate for hiring a Warrior, be constantly forgotten about, be using poorly maintained equipment and be treated like a war criminal for having the audacity to fly with your landing lights on. Avoid it if you can.
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Whilst a couple of years ago I would have wholeheartedly supported going to the USA, from the feedback that is now coming back I would definitely stay away from any JAA FTO in the USA.
Last winter, because of the pish UK weather, one of our students went to the USA to finish off his PPL, needing only a Solo QXC, some solo consolidation and a skills test. One week tops and he was done. Four weeks later he returned, unfinished and with many tales of similar woes from many other students.
He said there were far too many students for the numbers of instructors available with those instructors who were working being run ragged and working very excessive (and unsafe) hours.
Hey could you elaborate on why your saying Naples are bad..... Doesn't really help to get a "stay away" message with no information! From what I have seen they look alright. What happened when you were at Naples? And why is it a bad place to train?
If you fly there make damn sure that you have the extra insurance for the plane for damage etc , make absolutely sure that you also have proof from them that you are taking the extra insurance .
I am away in Australia right now so have not got time to elaborate or send any PM's. But will be back in UK in a couple of days, please PM me anyone who wants my views on NAC. Trust me from my experience with them, as the above posts also say.... Stay away!!
I would definately not return there! And I think by the posts above, you will notice a trend there of the same advice.
Hi, I've done my PPL and ATPL's at NAC. I can quite honestly say that NAC has one of the best ATPL schools in the world. The chief ground instructor is very tightly wound and will push every student. If you want over a 90% average then I would definately recommend NAC.
However, the flight training there is an absolute joke! Everything about the flight school is disorganised, there are not enough planes for the students, the planes are poorly maintained and the owner will quite happily keep sending the planes up knowing there are problems with them. There are not enough instructors for the JAA side of training therefore they try and rush you through as quickly as possible, which to some may seem appertising, it is not...trust me. They just care about you money, not your safety. You have been warned!
I was training at London Aviation also at Naples Airport. A few students who ended up at London said they had bad experiences with rude staff and impatient teachers and found London a lot more personal. London can convert a PPL but not sure about other licences.
I did my formation at NAC and yep, there's some huge difference between the flight departement which is a total mess and the ground school which prepare you for the ATPL.
I'll highly recommend to do the ATPL there as the instructors are very well aware of what they do. We almost all passed and if you study well you'll get over 90% on average garanty! The 14 exams in 2 modules of 7 exams each, all in all, 7 months so pretty quick.
On the other hand, the flight departement is messy! too many students for not enough planes or instructors sometimes. The boss do not care about you at all, you'll be treated like a kid . He will not worry at all to rent the plane even this one had 5 engine failures in the past week
It's a familly business down there. Except the guy at the frontdesk who will help you, the rest of them seem to be anoyed at any of your questions! there is not at all the standard ''hi sir may i help you?'' No way!
If you enroll, do not register for the carrier pilot program as you will be unable to jump from the ship anymore!
Any way, my advise is to do all the FAA flight part ( PPL, IR, hour building and maybe some ME) in an other school, but an FAA only. Seems that the school which provides both FAA & JAA have higher prices...
Then come to NAC for ATPL and JAA CPL.
But like said by some above, there's wayyy not enough guys for the JAA training so it took me some time to start the CPL course ...
On average it takes a bit more than a year to do the whole stuff. 15 month maybe...
Stay away from this school at all costs!!! Going there would be the biggest mistake of your life!! They will rip u off big time!!! When I was there they even stole money from students..... And there was nothing they could do about it.
As far as the groundschool concerns: Yeah almost everybody passes with good marks , because everybody is doing the Bristol questionbank.... The Groundschool is a waste of time Most of the ground instructors there never even held a JAA ATPL! As soon as u ask any detailed questions they wont be able to answer!! In general Avoid all JAA FTOS in the US! If u want my advice do your PPL at some flying club in the UK then do the bristol ATPL distance learning course. Then go to the US for hourbuilding, fly from eastcoast to westcoast there are lots of cheap rental places who will hire you planes for a couple of weeks, u will have a great time and awsome flying expirience!! Come back and do the CPL/ ME IR in the UK. This way u will have quality instructing and the fun experience flying in the US!! And u will end up paying much less money than anyone who does their training with NAC....
this is the way I will do it PPL-IR on Europe-American Aviation then I will go to this horror school for my ATPL and CPL JAR, After that I will take the rest in a another school.
I start the 1.sep
I talk to alot of the students from NAC and 95% says go for the groundschool but stay away from the rest.
I realy dont get the way they run ther business, when i think about it they have the best opportunity to run a perfect school with alot of happy customers
Just came back from a cross-country in Naples and i have no idea about the school but the location is just wonderful...Its an amazing place to live. One of the most beautiful beaches even seen. The airport is also very organised and and tower guys were quite friendly.
Of course all that is just my first impression.
Good luck
everybody is doing the Bristol questionbank.... The Groundschool is a waste of time Most of the ground instructors there never even held a JAA ATPL! As soon as u ask any detailed questions they wont be able to answer!!
Erm......maybe I'm a bit slow? If you just do Bristol question bank, and learning answers, why would you ask a question?
Really stupid btw to all who do that - it shows your contempt for the industry standards. Just becuase you are too lazy to learn the subject. Can we at least get some decent people complaining on here, seeing as thats all people do these days! I get so ticked off when I hear idiots say that.
I hope those are all caught out at the interview stage and find themselves on the street with no job!
What happened to the person who had worked the hardest getting the job based on their merits? Nope, not on this site. A bunch of timewaisters who think they are entitled to the job because they managed to get a little money together and the schools really must need their business!
Any business that allows you, the customer, to dictate how much and how you pay must be so desperate, then you are probably looking at a school in deep trouble.
Really stupid btw to all who do that - it shows your contempt for the industry standards. Just becuase you are too lazy to learn the subject.
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I hope those are all caught out at the interview stage
I have to say I completely agree with this! Am currently doing ATPL ground school at an FTO in the UK, and the amount of people simply relying on Bristol to get them through to the point where they do not even care to try learn the knowledge itself simply astounds me
I think it is fine to have a database of questions to test your knowledge and act as an aid to studying. However to simply rely on this is ridiculous, and is not fair on the guys who do put the effort in to actually learn the theory and NOT the answers. From what I have heard from a bunch of guys who sat latest exams, there was a lot less Bristol than previously. Hopefully in future this will bring out the hard workers from the lazy lot who learn answers off bristol.
In fairness to Ronand, he wasn't advocating the practices of NAC ground school, merely advising people not to go there for those reasons. I have to agree with him on his points mentioned. Most of the ground instructors I saw also when out there doing flying didn't appear to even have a JAA ATPL.
Any business that allows you, the customer, to dictate how much and how you pay must be so desperate, then you are probably looking at a school in deep trouble.
Hahaha! How old are you? 5?
Thanks God the guy from my local grocery store doesnt think the same way as you do... Otherwise he would probably ask me to pay for the full year of my shopping up front in gold!
Business is there for the customers!, NOT the other way around!
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. He will not worry at all to rent the plane even this one had 5 engine failures in the past week 
for the carrier pilot program as you will be unable to jump from the ship anymore!
is to do all the FAA flight part ( PPL, IR, hour building and maybe some ME) in an other school, but an FAA only. Seems that the school which provides both FAA & JAA have higher prices...
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