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Hey fellow wannabes - just wondering if anyone has heard of the Dubai Aerospace Enterprise Flight Academy? I think they call it the DAE Flight Academy for short - I heard they were going to use real twin turbine jets for the ME phase of training!!! Quite extreme!
If anyone has any info on the FTO please let me. Might be worth looking into for us that might not want a JAR licence - I wonder if training with them would get us into the UAE carriers? hmm..
DAEFA will use the Eclipse 500 jets in its new ab initio training program. DAE University plans to open the Flight Academy in March 2008 in the emirate of Ras Al Khaimah at the site of a former air force base. It will be the first school of its type to use the Eclipse 500 and the program will offer a 12-month course starting every month with up to 400 students in training at any given time. DAEFA takes zero-time pilots and trains them in Technically Advanced Aircraft (TAA).
Sounds like they're going to be a quality FTO in the Middle East.
$150,000 ???? Quite steep for training in the desert! That works out to be 76,000 pounds - more than what the most prestigious UK school cost that DO have airline relations, that DO have a history and reputation....
I'm new to PPRuNe, but I thought I might have some insights to share on this topic. DAE is trying to become the next "big thing" in the aviation industry. $15+ billion is being invested, a portion of which is goin to the start up of the flight academy. These guys are the real deal, and have a interesting approach to flight training and career development. I've had first hand experiences here in the states with many of the newly recruited employees going to Dubai to run and instruct at the Flight Academy, and must say that they are among the best and the brightest. I'm curious to see how succesful the program will be, I'm confident that they will one day be synomonous with other well respected pilot training organizations arround the world. :-)
Starting on something as powerful as the SR22 G3 then moving onto a twin turbine EA500 VLJ for multi-engine training is pretty impressive! Every student/instructor's dream perhaps? I don't even think the RAF get to toy with aircraft as advanced during their initial training.
Has anyone actually worked or currently working for DAE Flying Academy in UAE? The job scope and salary seems quite attractive on the net, however I am also told that the cost of living in the UAE is quite high.
Are the conditions of this job good? And will I be able to make ends meet (as well as save money) while living and working in UAE? Is it worth while applying?
I don't really think it's all that bad to be honest - the most reputed companies in the UK cost around 130,000+ USD, this figure is even higher if you look at FTO based France, Germany, Sweden etc.
For comparison's sake, for the extra 20k you get to train on sophisticated, technologically advanced aircraft (SR22 and the Eclipse EA500 Jet) PLUS you walk away with not one but DUAL type rating on the EA500 and a jet transport aircraft of your choosing which will either be 73 or 320 variants if I'm not mistaken. This is all offered under one roof. Sounds pretty impressive if you ask me.
The cost of living in the emirate of Ras Al Khaimah where the school is based will be much cheaper than anywhere else in Europe and rentals are no where as extorsionate as they are in Dubai.
Never heard of dual type rating? or never heard of an FTO offering dual type rating?
Tuition fees don't cover living expenses - but then again, living in Ras Al Khaima isn't expensive - nothing like what FTOs in europe charge you to live on site for a pokey little prison cubical... ~120 pounds a week!
I would say its a good deal if u make ur money in europe and US $ (AED is tied to US $) is all time low to any currency in EU! or if u have rich parents R-A-K is nothing like DXB, its more like Fujairah or Al Ain when it comes to day to day living. (I would say cheap) With today exchange rates u would pay for ur training (exl. accom. and food+fun) around 97450 EUR.
I believe that it is simply JAA compliant at this point which means on paper, the course would meet or in some cases exceed the required JAA minimum standards for an integrated frozen ATPL course. As far as I'm aware you will not be issued with a JAA licence.
This will probably change in the near future as JAA aviation authorities such as the UK CAA can approve overseas pilot training courses as they have done with schools in the USA, Canada, Australia in which case your issued with a JAA licence issued by the authority that approved the course.
There seems to be some confusion here. DAEFA according to their website are offering a conventional GCAA Intergrated ATPL. It is JAA based but you will not get a JAA licence. If they want to offer a JAA licence they need to be a satellite station of a JAA member state school and go through the expensive JAA accreditation system. Even then some elements of the course have to be done in a JAA State.
An ATPL (A) does not give you a type rating. MPL will do this, but that is not what DAEFA appear to be offering and an airline partner is needed. They could set up as TRTO to do a full type conversion after completion of your ATPL(A) but I am not sure this is what they are doing. Anyone from DAEFA care to throw some light on their Course.
Zitoon, Your right. The licences you earn are approved and issued by the UAE's GCAA. You'll hold an international licence issued by the UAE (which is an ICAO signatory state). You wouldn't be able to start flying for a European carrier without holding a JAA licence being issued by a JAA member state first.. I think..
The fact that the course is based on or compliant with the JAA system/syllabi might signify that the conversion from your GCAA to JAA might be nothing more than an administrative matter.
Zone 2 Alt, I think they are basically offering training towards the issue of a frozen ATPL on an integrated course, BUT with dual type rating thrown in at the end. I know they don't or house any level D FFS, but I reckon a partner UAE based TRTO such as CAE-Emirates will probably carry out the jet transport type rating element of the course.
The Eclipse EA500 type rating will probably be conducted in-house as you'll be studying the ins and outs of the aircraft and actually spending some 50 hours in it.
This thread is a bit old but this might help.
In fact it's not 150K USD, is 125K
- GCAA frozen Airline Transport Pilots License (JAA Compliant)
- Eclipse Jet Type Rating (removes the need for traditional “jet bridge” course)
- 800 hours Classroom Instruction
- 66 hours on Flight Training Devices
- 240 hours of Pre/Post Flight Briefings
- 135 Flight Training Missions -fly international routes (Like RAK to Mumbai, RAK to Jeddah, RAK to Muscat ,RAK to Athens and more)
-135 hours of training in the SR22 piston powered aircraft )
-50 hours of training in the EA500 jet powered aircraft
-200 hours acting as a crew member (Multi Crew Course)
And for extra 25K they offer Jet Transport Type. The options are: Airbus A320 or Boeing B737-800 NG
Lot of money? hell yes, but I'm myself talking to my bank to get some funding since modular will take much longer.
Is the DAE Academy actually going to fly international routes to Mumbai, Athens etc? I was looking at employment there and last I heard from sources is that they are still in the development phase and not fully operational yet. I also heard that some of the instructors are not happy after being employed for flight ops and kept in the ground school for 2 or more months.
How soon are there international routes planned? And have they got the operational approval from the local authority yet? Are international routes (overfly permits/landing clearances/fees/refueling etc) already approved? And more importantly, is it worth while moving to the UAE for this job?