first_solo

Goodafternoon,

When a typerating (JAR) B737-300/900 has been expired since 10-12-06, what does it take to revalidate it again.

Is this correct : 1 Training session 2 hours + 1 prof check 2 hours (full flight sim)

Brgds,

F_S

Mercenary Pilot

Nah, you just need the prof check. There's no formal training required but the 2 hours sim prep before hand would be a good idea i would think...its amazing how rusty you get.

Best regards

MP

first_solo

Thanx for your fast reply,

but according my information JAR requires a trainingsession when the type rating has expired more than the validity date but less then 1 year. And when its more than 1 year but less than 3 you need 3 trainingsessions? (or do I have it wrong?)

Mercenary Pilot

Okay, this is from LASORS which is the UK CAA's published book of rules and regulations. Although it isn't gospel im pretty sure these rules shown here are correct and conform to JAA standards. If there is any doubt then you should contact your national Aviation Authority.



F4.4 RENEWAL OF TYPE RATINGS
(AEROPLANES)
Where licence holders have been unable to renew a
MPA Type Rating for a period not exceeding 5 years
from the date of expiry, they will be required to
complete the following requirements:

i. The CAA will require no mandatory additional
training. Applicants should complete training at
their own discretion sufficient to pass the
proficiency check.

ii. Complete a Proficiency Check in accordance with
Appendix to JAR-FCL 1.240. For renewal of an
instrument rating, please refer to Section E1.5.

iii. A UK Authorised Examiner can sign the Certificate
of Revalidation page (FCL150CJAR) within a UK
national pilot’s licence. An Examiner qualified in
accordance with JAR-FCL (in any fully compliant
JAA Member State) can sign a Certificate of
Revalidation page within a JAR licence. The LST/
LPC form, completed as a renewal, should be sent
to CAA PLD.

iv. The CAA will charge no fee provided that the
Examiner signs the C of R.
Where licence holders have been unable to renew a




MPA Type Rating for a period exceeding 5 years from
the date of expiry*, they will be required to complete the
following requirements:

i. Complete type technical training and obtain a pass
the ground exam in accordance with the TRTO/
FTO approval.

ii. Complete flying/simulator training at the discretion
of the Head of Training of the TRTO/FTO.

iii. A minimum of 3 take-offs and landings must be
completed in flight unless the training is ZFT
approved.

iv. Complete the Proficiency Check in accordance
with Appendices 1 & 2 or 3 to JAR-FCL 1.240 and
1.295. The course completion certificate gives the
TRTO/FTO the opportunity to indicate what
refresher training has been completed.

v. The completed form should be sent to CAA PLD
together with the appropriate fee as per the
Scheme of Charges.

vi. The Examiner should make no licence entry.
For renewal of an instrument rating, if held, please refer
to Section E1.5.
* Where an applicant can show that they are currently
flying under the privileges of an ICAO licence, and are
flying the same aircraft type/class within their UK or
JAR-FCL licence, the renewal requirements will be
based on the expiry date of the rating currently being
exercised.

first_solo

Thanx for the information!
Is there someone outthere who has got the JAR version of this?
In case the CAA's requirements are different?
F_S
This is what I found:
JAR FCL 1.245(e)
(f) Expired Ratings
(1) If a type rating or multi-engine
class rating has expired, the applicant shall
meet any refresher training requirements as
determined by the Authority and complete a
proficiency check in accordance with
Appendices 1 and 2 or 3 to JAR–FCL 1.240.
The rating will be valid from the date of
completion of the renewal requirements.
So still no answer :-(
And nice to know...
SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SKILL TEST/PROFICIENCY CHECK FOR A MULTI-PILOT
AEROPLANE AND FOR THE SKILL TEST REQUIRED FOR THE ATPL(A)
9 The test/check for a multi-pilot aeroplane shall be performed in a multi-crew environment. Another
applicant or another pilot, may function as second pilot. If an aeroplane, rather than a simulator, is used
for the test/check, the second pilot shall be an instructor.
10 An applicant shall be required to operate as ‘pilot flying’ (PF) during all sections of the test/check,
except item 2.6 and abnormal and emergency procedures items 3.4.0 to 3.4.14 and items 3.6.0 to 3.6.9
which may be conducted as PF or PNF in accordance with Multi-Crew Co-operation (in accordance with
Appendix 2 to 1.240 & 1.295). The applicant for the initial issue of a multi-pilot aeroplane type rating or
ATPL(A) shall also demonstrate the ability to act as ‘pilot not flying’ (PNF). The applicant may choose
either the left hand or the right hand seat for the test/check if all items in the test/check can be executed
from the selected seat.

BillieBob

Surely, you have answered your own question:

(1) If a type rating or multi-engine
class rating has expired, the applicant shall
meet any refresher training requirements as
determined by the Authority....

You need to ask the Authority that issued your licence for their determination of the training requirements. The requirements of the UK (or any other) Authority are completely irrelevant.