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Try Dexe air at LOAN in Austria. They wont have maintenance issues with their location and flying in Austria is great. No idea about prices etc but as someone mentioned above, go with the modular route.
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Just a thought on flight training in Greece.
Greece is at the heart of the Euro crisis, and even though things at the moment look calm, last summer the country was on fire with violent demonstrations and strikes. Nothing fundamentally has changed in this situation and there is still a real threat that Greece will be forced out of the eurozone, defaulding on its gigantic foreign debt if it refuses to make reforms and pay its financial obligations.
What will happen when it is kicked out of the Euro zone? The country will descent into chaos , not able to import fuell, with long lasting general strikes that will shut down airports, CAA and ATC. Flightschools will not be able to pay their €€€ financed aircraft, which will be confiscated by the leasing companies, banks will go bust with any funds paid into the accounts of the flightschool, not being recoverable. Riots, violence , possibly even civil war.
As most of the flightschools ask for big parts of the training to be paid up front you can get seriously burned financially, with your career in disarray.
The FTO's might look fine on the surface, but you will be investing in Greece as well. This brings with it incredible risks of loosing all your money.
I strongly suggest that you consider these risks when deciding where to start your flighttraining. There are many places in Europe where you will be able to get the same deal (all EASA approved training) without the potential hazards of a complete economical and social meltdown of the country where you are doing your training.
Greece is at the heart of the Euro crisis, and even though things at the moment look calm, last summer the country was on fire with violent demonstrations and strikes. Nothing fundamentally has changed in this situation and there is still a real threat that Greece will be forced out of the eurozone, defaulding on its gigantic foreign debt if it refuses to make reforms and pay its financial obligations.
What will happen when it is kicked out of the Euro zone? The country will descent into chaos , not able to import fuell, with long lasting general strikes that will shut down airports, CAA and ATC. Flightschools will not be able to pay their €€€ financed aircraft, which will be confiscated by the leasing companies, banks will go bust with any funds paid into the accounts of the flightschool, not being recoverable. Riots, violence , possibly even civil war.
As most of the flightschools ask for big parts of the training to be paid up front you can get seriously burned financially, with your career in disarray.
The FTO's might look fine on the surface, but you will be investing in Greece as well. This brings with it incredible risks of loosing all your money.
I strongly suggest that you consider these risks when deciding where to start your flighttraining. There are many places in Europe where you will be able to get the same deal (all EASA approved training) without the potential hazards of a complete economical and social meltdown of the country where you are doing your training.
Correction, never pay large amounts
Obviously 500-1500 deposit is normal in the industry.
But correct, do not be tempted by any additional discounts if you pay 50% or 100% upfront.
Obviously 500-1500 deposit is normal in the industry.
But correct, do not be tempted by any additional discounts if you pay 50% or 100% upfront.
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All potential students please read
I finished my 0-Hero training a couple months ago at Egnatia Aviation and I am still in contact with pilots who train there now. During my time there I met many students who complained about how there were no proper reviews of the school, so here it is:
Originally Egnatia was quite a small scale flight school which only did Modular training and for the most part had its issues but nothing major. However many things have changed over the course of the past year including its attitude towards its students/paying customers. Also they have raised their prices a lot on everything recently.
PPL: A lot of students are not flying as often as they should be and this was going on the entire time I was there due to bad scheduling. In turn where a lot of students over a year ago were finishing in 2-3 months max are now finishing in 5-6 (regardless of the students performance) due to the lack of organisation and general lack of regard for wasting your time and money.
Ground School: This I would say is one of the biggest draw backs as their ground school has no real structure or organisation again and has no one with real experience running or instructing in it, if your looking for a quality ground school you need to look elsewhere.
Hour Building: Their new prices are very high for the kinds of planes you are flying and once again due to the bad scheduling it can take much longer then it should, they also dont have many planes available due to all the new students they have. You wont be able to use your hours you paid for to go on long trips and actually enjoy all that money your spending. There are a lot of places in the states and Europe where you could get better rates and have the plane to yourself so you can finish up your hrs quickly.
CPL/IR/ME: This is actually pretty good and is probably the only part of your course I would recommend Egnatia for. The training is decent and its usually done within the predicted time frame.
Integrated Course: First of all as I said they don't have a real ground school and its seems like something that was thrown together last minute by amateurs that goes for the integrated course to.
Transportation: This was also a huge issue as they had a tiny bus made for eight people so a lot of times you would find no space left to get to school or back home when you needed to.
Location: The accommodation is decent the internet has some major issues was very slow and sometimes wouldn't work at all, just be warned Keramoti is a village in the middle of nowhere and has nothing to do except in the summer. Learn Greek because hardly anyone can speak English.
HCAA (Helenic Civil Aviation Authority): These guys are extremely slow at processing licenses and you could wait from minimum of 3 months up to 6 months for your license to be issued.
The school also gave priority to QAC (Qatar Aviation College) students over their own students which led to major delays for hour builders as they were not being scheduled in order to please students who were not even from Egnatia. Also just in case people were wondering: Egnatia does not have any affiliation with any airlines and fATPL from it makes no difference then if you were to get your license from another JAA school
The general attitude of the school to myself and everyone else I knew was that whenever you had serious issues such as not being scheduled to fly/ problems with your instructor/ ground school etc was one of disregard and a lack of respect. Instead of taking you seriously as a paying customer they would almost come across as if they were doing you a favor by even talking to you.
This goes especially for the Head of Training, Chief Flight Instructor and Chief Ground Instructor as well as the Board of Directors.
Conclusion: The world is flooded with aviation schools competing with each other for paying customer, if you are interested in becoming a pilot do your research talk to the students of the school even visit the place if possible so that you don't regret your choice after all you are paying a lot of money.
Best of Luck!
Originally Egnatia was quite a small scale flight school which only did Modular training and for the most part had its issues but nothing major. However many things have changed over the course of the past year including its attitude towards its students/paying customers. Also they have raised their prices a lot on everything recently.
PPL: A lot of students are not flying as often as they should be and this was going on the entire time I was there due to bad scheduling. In turn where a lot of students over a year ago were finishing in 2-3 months max are now finishing in 5-6 (regardless of the students performance) due to the lack of organisation and general lack of regard for wasting your time and money.
Ground School: This I would say is one of the biggest draw backs as their ground school has no real structure or organisation again and has no one with real experience running or instructing in it, if your looking for a quality ground school you need to look elsewhere.
Hour Building: Their new prices are very high for the kinds of planes you are flying and once again due to the bad scheduling it can take much longer then it should, they also dont have many planes available due to all the new students they have. You wont be able to use your hours you paid for to go on long trips and actually enjoy all that money your spending. There are a lot of places in the states and Europe where you could get better rates and have the plane to yourself so you can finish up your hrs quickly.
CPL/IR/ME: This is actually pretty good and is probably the only part of your course I would recommend Egnatia for. The training is decent and its usually done within the predicted time frame.
Integrated Course: First of all as I said they don't have a real ground school and its seems like something that was thrown together last minute by amateurs that goes for the integrated course to.
Transportation: This was also a huge issue as they had a tiny bus made for eight people so a lot of times you would find no space left to get to school or back home when you needed to.
Location: The accommodation is decent the internet has some major issues was very slow and sometimes wouldn't work at all, just be warned Keramoti is a village in the middle of nowhere and has nothing to do except in the summer. Learn Greek because hardly anyone can speak English.
HCAA (Helenic Civil Aviation Authority): These guys are extremely slow at processing licenses and you could wait from minimum of 3 months up to 6 months for your license to be issued.
The school also gave priority to QAC (Qatar Aviation College) students over their own students which led to major delays for hour builders as they were not being scheduled in order to please students who were not even from Egnatia. Also just in case people were wondering: Egnatia does not have any affiliation with any airlines and fATPL from it makes no difference then if you were to get your license from another JAA school
The general attitude of the school to myself and everyone else I knew was that whenever you had serious issues such as not being scheduled to fly/ problems with your instructor/ ground school etc was one of disregard and a lack of respect. Instead of taking you seriously as a paying customer they would almost come across as if they were doing you a favor by even talking to you.
This goes especially for the Head of Training, Chief Flight Instructor and Chief Ground Instructor as well as the Board of Directors.
Conclusion: The world is flooded with aviation schools competing with each other for paying customer, if you are interested in becoming a pilot do your research talk to the students of the school even visit the place if possible so that you don't regret your choice after all you are paying a lot of money.
Best of Luck!
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It couldn't be said better !
SuperAce, i know the school, i was there and everything you say is absolutely true and still remains the same.
I had and have many friends there and all are saying exactly the same think.
Your post includes everything good and bad points and nothing is missing !!
I had and have many friends there and all are saying exactly the same think.
Your post includes everything good and bad points and nothing is missing !!
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Greece is at the heart of the Euro crisis, and even though things at the moment look calm, last summer the country was on fire with violent demonstrations and strikes. Nothing fundamentally has changed in this situation and there is still a real threat that Greece will be forced out of the eurozone, defaulding on its gigantic foreign debt if it refuses to make reforms and pay its financial obligations.
What will happen when it is kicked out of the Euro zone? The country will descent into chaos
What will happen when it is kicked out of the Euro zone? The country will descent into chaos
Greece has never been "on fire". Only the business in bits of Athens. Outside, there is nothing happening.
Businesses who get paid in Euros will just carry on operating in Euros, should Greece revert to the Drachma.
That is how the "EU but not Euro" zone runs. Czech Rep for example. Croatia too, and that's not even in the EU.
Greece is never likely to do what the communist bloc did which was to actually criminalise the possession of foreign currency.
Transportation: This was also a huge issue as they had a tiny bus made for eight people so a lot of times you would find no space left to get to school or back home when you needed to.
Oh must also have a proper poser watch, but in Greece you find fake 2" diameter watch shops on every corner 
Location: The accommodation is decent the internet has some major issues was very slow and sometimes wouldn't work at all, just be warned Keramoti is a village in the middle of nowhere and has nothing to do except in the summer. Learn Greek because hardly anyone can speak English.
Re internet - probably true because the other students are downloading movies
For €20 you can pick up a COSMOTE 3G data SIM which gives you about 2GB. Forget WIFI; it's a waste of time.I am not suprised Egnatia are not so good for PPL training but one wouldn't go there for that. One would go there for a concentrated IR package, where you fly until you are done. Same as people go to Arizona, but you cannot do a JAA IR in Arizona
And if doing an IR or IR conversion, the HCAA is not involved. The examiner just signs the papers which are presented to the UK CAA. I have some notes here.
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Hello
I'm intentioned to go to Egnatia Aviation for convert my FAA CPL with IR and ME.
I would like to know your opinion about this school.
Have you been there for convert your licence, if yes what can you tell to me about it? How many hours did the conversion take?
Thank you
I'm intentioned to go to Egnatia Aviation for convert my FAA CPL with IR and ME.
I would like to know your opinion about this school.
Have you been there for convert your licence, if yes what can you tell to me about it?
How many hours did the conversion take?Thank you
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Hi,
I've got a friend who's looking for a place where to convert his FAA licence, anyone has any update about how is the flying school doing, and what type of training they provide for a conversion ?
Mike_3, what do you mean by finishing on time ?
I've got a friend who's looking for a place where to convert his FAA licence, anyone has any update about how is the flying school doing, and what type of training they provide for a conversion ?
Mike_3, what do you mean by finishing on time ?
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Greetings !
I currently live in Kavala and in January i will be starting modular ATPL with Egnatia. I have many friends in the aviation industry of Greece that consider Egnatia the Top school in Greece and one of the best in Europe hands down, especially Pilots that fly for Greek Airlines. I also happen to know personally people from inside the school, that also tell me only good words. I cant understand all the malignant comments posted herein. When a new business starts there are always problems till it catches a regular rhythm. As far as i am concerned Egnatia aviation is truly one of the best schools in Europe. Not to mention that it does have direct affiliation with flight schools in the middle east that pool pilots to major airlines. Many of the graduates of Egnatia are already F/O's in Greek and European airlines. Of course before you go on and decide, do your research and ALWAYS visit a school, and talk thoroughly and in depth with the CEO about everything you expect from them. If they do not meet your expectations you will know. Its common sense
I currently live in Kavala and in January i will be starting modular ATPL with Egnatia. I have many friends in the aviation industry of Greece that consider Egnatia the Top school in Greece and one of the best in Europe hands down, especially Pilots that fly for Greek Airlines. I also happen to know personally people from inside the school, that also tell me only good words. I cant understand all the malignant comments posted herein. When a new business starts there are always problems till it catches a regular rhythm. As far as i am concerned Egnatia aviation is truly one of the best schools in Europe. Not to mention that it does have direct affiliation with flight schools in the middle east that pool pilots to major airlines. Many of the graduates of Egnatia are already F/O's in Greek and European airlines. Of course before you go on and decide, do your research and ALWAYS visit a school, and talk thoroughly and in depth with the CEO about everything you expect from them. If they do not meet your expectations you will know. Its common sense
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Any good changes at this FTO?
Hello guys, I am considering starting my 0-ATPL training very soon and egnatia is one my choices high on the list. I have some very simple questions. This thread is 7 years old, with some really dissapointing posts in the earlies (back to 2006,2007 etc). Has anything changed since then? I know they have an integrated course now, Jet Orientation Course included, MCC, and their training has gone up to 15 months, seems like thery trying to make their course like the UK Big 3's ones.
Here you can see what I have read about them:
http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?d...te=1&p=8785851
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...t-college.html
Egnatia hour building to ATPL [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums
The most serious thing that I can not tolerate is the attitude. I've heard about bad behavior etc etc. In addition, on the downside I've heard about not responding on emails etc. But let's be honest, I've already sent an email to CTC 4 days ago and I have no responce neither.
So, all these bad comments is back at 2007 etc. Is there any recent ex-student to ensure they have changed? And what about mr Leberacus? Someone wrote about bad attitude and behaving to students and instructors, like children. Well this is so abstract characterization, and I would like to hear some examples.
Hey FlyingDoc7, I will visit the place anyway
Here you can see what I have read about them:
http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?d...te=1&p=8785851
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...t-college.html
Egnatia hour building to ATPL [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums
The most serious thing that I can not tolerate is the attitude. I've heard about bad behavior etc etc. In addition, on the downside I've heard about not responding on emails etc. But let's be honest, I've already sent an email to CTC 4 days ago and I have no responce neither.
So, all these bad comments is back at 2007 etc. Is there any recent ex-student to ensure they have changed? And what about mr Leberacus? Someone wrote about bad attitude and behaving to students and instructors, like children. Well this is so abstract characterization, and I would like to hear some examples.
Hey FlyingDoc7, I will visit the place anyway
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The best thing to do is visit the school, speak with other students, come back home and make up your decision. That's what i did back in 2012 and finally it was my best option.
All the best !
All the best !
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I am currently a student at Egnatia and having been here for over 10 months I can honestly say it is a fantastic school. The Ground School has a proper schedule and four dedicated ground instructors allowing the school to run three ATPL Ground School groups at any one time. The instructors always go the extra mile and will always give extra help out of class to anybody that needs it. The schedule itself is planned to best fit the HCAA exam sitting schedule which is only released two months in advance however Egnatia does make necessary amendments such as having Saturday classes to give students the option to go to a sooner exam sitting. The actual flight departtment and dispatch is very smooth and efficient with students being scheduled pretty much everyday to fly and there is more than enough instructors to cope with the increasing amount of students the school is getting. The aircraft are very well maintained by the in-house Maintenance team. I am on the Integrated Package and overall I feel it is fantastic value for money compared with other FTO's as the school provides students with free Accommodation and Transportation which is a big bonus as well as internet and pretty much all the necessities you need apart from food. As for anyone interested in Egnatia I would advise to visit the school before making any decisions but overall I feel this is definitely the best flight school in Greece and one of the best in Southern Europe.
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I shave spoken to a lot of students in Egnatia and I am happy to say that they are all employed with an airliner and were extremely happy with their training . In fact, I have just applied for Egnatia and will be joining somewhere around September.
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Egnatia provides very good training and ground school classes. The instructors are all very helpful. The package they offer is very attractive. But Egnatia has one big fault, which is very important. As soon as you have finished your training with them, they don't want anything to do with you. They give no professional advice with finding jobs, what the current situation is, what to do after training...they don't help you at all. That's because they are very business-oriented, and once you have finished training, it's bye bye from them. They care more about the money than the students. I have spoken to a few people who dropped out of Egnatia to go to other flight schools because the company was very persistent with making excuses to take more money from them. One of the people is still in a legal battle against the flight school about trying to get back some of his wasted money. The only way Egnatia's training package is of good value would be if you completed all the training first attempt with no delays. They perceive themselves as the best flight school in greece and one of the best in Europe, but in all honesty i don't think that's true.
