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Old 23rd Aug 2005, 21:11   #1 (permalink)
 
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Oxford Air Training

So which would you go for and why??

Would just like to hear some pro's and con's for either of the schemes. Basically comparisions

(e.g ferrari or porshe).........................ferrari!!!
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Old 23rd Aug 2005, 22:27   #2 (permalink)
 
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What do you mean when you say schemes like CTC are expensive? To me, the portion you are responsible for is dirt cheap by comparison to other avenues.

In Canada I would be expected to unload at least $50 000 (25 000) to get all my licensing out of the way, then do whatever it takes to build my hours and experience if I were looking at the big boys.

Am I missing something?
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 04:45   #3 (permalink)
 
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Have you considered FTE Jerez?... Airlines sniff there to.....
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 10:16   #4 (permalink)
 
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Hey.. ive looked at both options with CTC, Oxford and Cabair. I have found that oxford has all the pro's. Cabair and CTC only train you to be a pilot then pretty much leave you in the lurch to find a job.. with Oxford they train you to the highest standards then find you a job and place you with an interview.. they garentee an 98% chance of getting a job.. the 2% were people who didnt have English rites to live here or correct paper work.. Oxford is slightly more expensive then anywere else.. but you get the status coming from them. If you want a great company to work for I.E British Airways.. they only take Oxford students and this applies to many other airlines. So if you want a status.. highly paid job.. and train with the best school.. i recommend Oxford.. im meant to be starting in september.. any more questions add me on msn at.. madmandan1@hotmail.com

Hope i helped!
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 10:31   #5 (permalink)
 
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The CTC scheme does the very opposite of leaving you in the lurch to find a job! It only recruits cadets which it WILL place with an airline at the end of the training because thats when CTC get paid by the airline. Id be far more suspicious of Oxford who want as many wallets through the door as possible.
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 10:34   #6 (permalink)
 
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Well.. i disagree.. Oxford is by far the place to be.. and you get status.. airlines love it.. and if it gets me a job.. then im not complaining! lol

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Old 24th Aug 2005, 10:37   #7 (permalink)
 
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Handbags at dawn ladies!!!

There are 4 CAA approved integrated courses, though CTC comes near enough.

They are Cabair, OAT, FTE and the new one launched in Perth with WAAC. I'm half way through applying to the latter 3 and all seem to be quite impressive with their own strengths.
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 10:40   #8 (permalink)
 
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lol.. but not CTC then.. You know when you walk in somewhere.. and just feel its the rite place to be.. i got that from Oxford.. i felt at home.. and felt its the professional kinda place where i would enjoy learning.. its got the best statistics.. ok its a little more expensive.. but you get what you pay for.

Good luck with applying!

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Old 24th Aug 2005, 10:50   #9 (permalink)
 
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"They guarantee you a 98% chance of getting a job"....

Hmmmm.....



Is there actually such a thing as a 98% guarantee???

Sounds like marketing brainwashing to me
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 12:10   #10 (permalink)
 
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CTC will place you in an airline. All the guys I trained with went direct into EZY.

It is more of a lottery with the others.

But, it is much harder to get into CTC than OATS or Cabair.
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 12:18   #11 (permalink)
 
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yea i gotta agree, madmandan really sounds like he's fallen for the marketing stuff hook line and sinker lol.

Firstly OAT do NOT guarantee you a job at all. I do agree that I think they're a very professional school who are well respected and provide good training.

CTC is also a good company too, they are very well respected and also provide excellent training. I think its important to realise that the two companies provide different services. CTC are providing cadets to the airlines, in that there customers are the airlines, not the cadets. OAT is purely a training provider and as such OAT is providing the training TO the cadets ready for them to find their own jobs (with some help from oat of course, but thats all it is, HELP.)

In terms of financial benifit I don't think there is much difference between the two courses. both cost around 60k ish. The difference is that with OAT is that if you get a job you would enter on a full FO pay, which is substantially bigger then the cadet pay that CTC cadets will get frm their airlines, altho to balance it the CTC then get the airlines to pay for their trainig, so it all is about even, except for the fact that the CTC cadets will be bonded to their airline for 7 years.

I don't think there is much difference between the schools to be honest. In one way CTC is better since it is the closest thing you can get to having a guaranteed job, however OAT will also give you an excellent chance, especially with the industry improving as it is at the moment. I tried for CTC and failed at stage 4 unfortuantly, I am now planning on going to OAT. I not that bothered that I failed CTC and I am just as happy to be going to OAT, altho I would be just as happy if I were going to CTC. Just remember its a means to an end, if you try hard enough then whatever way you choose to get your licence then you will get there in the end.

Good luck to all wannabees!!!
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 13:44   #12 (permalink)
 
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If you want a great company to work for I.E British Airways.. they only take Oxford students and this applies to many other airlines
What a load of tosh! I am a former FTE jerez student and i work for BA. Got in via the SSP scheme...marketing tripe...
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 13:55   #13 (permalink)
 
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don't forget that BA also turn down Oxford graduates...
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 13:59   #14 (permalink)
 
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I'd like to point out to everyone that what madmandan has said is NOT what OAT is marketing. When I have spoken to them they have been nothing short of totally honest with me. They have NEVER said that BA only take their grads etc just as they have NEVER guranteed a job.
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 14:05   #15 (permalink)
 
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thanks for all the information. Like with most things in life people like different things to others and ways in which things are done.

I expected there to be a difference in opinion but thats what I wanted. People to back to the goods and the bads for each company.

What particularly invites me to CTC is the cadet wings scheme. For people like me who have little or no flying experience.

This obviously makes it stand out from the others. Do oxford have a "starting from scratch" course? I am unable to find it on the website.

Anyone with any opinions on any of the schemes feel free to express your views.
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 14:12   #16 (permalink)
 
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both CTC and oxford have ab initio courses.

Look on oats website for the Airline pilot preparation course. It is their integrated course.

CTC wings is a very similair course but has more hours. CTC is also very hard to get onto, around 2% of applicants actually get to start the course, as opposed to 25%-40% of OATs.
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 14:16   #17 (permalink)
 
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ahhhhhhhhh thats the one. I presumed for an airline properation course you would have already needed a PPL at least or someone. OK thats a big eye opener thanks
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 14:18   #18 (permalink)
 
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I suggest you go to one of OATs seminars. You get to look round the school and get a feel for the place, it can tell you much more then we can and you can make your own opinions!
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 18:52   #19 (permalink)
 
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Could someone give me some more information around which course works out the most cost effective?

From what i can make out you need a loan for all of them 50-60K, but the difference being that with CTC if you are placed with an airline they pay this off (1k a month) over 7 years on top of your base salary.

How does this compare to what you would earn if employed after completing say the OAT course?

To match this payment you would need to earn an extra 15,400 (gross) a year. Is this realistic? Or is the only benefit with this route that you are not tied in for 7 years?
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Old 24th Aug 2005, 19:35   #20 (permalink)
 
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The difference with OAT is that you would be paid a full FO salary as opposed to the cadet salary of CTC. for example the cadet salary may be 21k but then 12k for the loan repayments from CTC. A cadet from OAT would be paid the full 30k+ salary.
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