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Hey guys,
Posted about this scheme in the other wanabies forum but never seem to get any replies about it.
Basically they are holding an assesment day on the 18 sept which involves a sim check but i've very little flying experience so a little worried what to expect.
I know this isn't a sponsorship scheme they a re running but type rating + 100 line hours for less than an OAT course seems like a good thing to me!
Any info, any ideas give me a holla!
kempus
Posted about this scheme in the other wanabies forum but never seem to get any replies about it.
Basically they are holding an assesment day on the 18 sept which involves a sim check but i've very little flying experience so a little worried what to expect.
I know this isn't a sponsorship scheme they a re running but type rating + 100 line hours for less than an OAT course seems like a good thing to me!
Any info, any ideas give me a holla!
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Please read the I will not pay for a type rating thread!!!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/forumdi...s=&forumid=104
Don't pay to sit in a B737! You should be being paid to do that. I won't elaborate further its all in the thread!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/forumdi...s=&forumid=104
Don't pay to sit in a B737! You should be being paid to do that. I won't elaborate further its all in the thread!
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AEU only operate mainly 73's, so I would doubt if it is conjunction with them
I was told that they were negotiating with a specific airline ( which operates A320 ) regarding the above type of line training, but this was a couple of months ago, so i was just wondering if there was any progress.
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No offence, but this is a Stapleford/Astraeus topic, theres a topic already for ranting about paying or not paying for a type rating, lets not divert this one as well.
Why not Airway? Its just as relevant as it is on the other thread.
Of course the paid for type rating detractors could do a little better than to simply say don't do it, they could point out that having paid for the type rating and for line training on top of the standard modules, you are no more likely to get a job in an airline than anyone else, perhaps less so due to any operator not owning 737s (or A320s etc) being put off by an applicant having a type specific rating. They could point out that the two largest 737 operators in the UK prefer their own-trained type rated low-time people to the graduates of the AEU scheme. They could mention that AEU themselves freely admit that they will not be able to offer jobs to every graduate from the Bond type rating course. They could also mention that signing up for a paid for line training course is in all probability reducing the chances of someone actually getting a job for the sponsoring airline for a season (although this point is negated by the requirement for Jump Seat FOs during line training). They will also ignore the fact that the Stapleford/AEU/Bond scheme does seem to be fulfilling a niche in the market that is limited in the grand scheme of graduates from integrated/modular courses to those that can afford it and have the desire to gain their first employment on jets.
The danger of this scheme is that people are signing up for a lot of training , possibly without realising the future consequences. It is an innovative scheme and offers the prospective candidate far more than a standard Oxford Integrated course even with the JOC. It is a new idea though and only time will tell whether its graduates have any more success in gaining full-time, paid employment than those that do not opt for the "value-added extra" (see a recent topic regarding Stapleford's marketing managers claim for graduates of their courses finding employment).
Of course the paid for type rating detractors could do a little better than to simply say don't do it, they could point out that having paid for the type rating and for line training on top of the standard modules, you are no more likely to get a job in an airline than anyone else, perhaps less so due to any operator not owning 737s (or A320s etc) being put off by an applicant having a type specific rating. They could point out that the two largest 737 operators in the UK prefer their own-trained type rated low-time people to the graduates of the AEU scheme. They could mention that AEU themselves freely admit that they will not be able to offer jobs to every graduate from the Bond type rating course. They could also mention that signing up for a paid for line training course is in all probability reducing the chances of someone actually getting a job for the sponsoring airline for a season (although this point is negated by the requirement for Jump Seat FOs during line training). They will also ignore the fact that the Stapleford/AEU/Bond scheme does seem to be fulfilling a niche in the market that is limited in the grand scheme of graduates from integrated/modular courses to those that can afford it and have the desire to gain their first employment on jets.
The danger of this scheme is that people are signing up for a lot of training , possibly without realising the future consequences. It is an innovative scheme and offers the prospective candidate far more than a standard Oxford Integrated course even with the JOC. It is a new idea though and only time will tell whether its graduates have any more success in gaining full-time, paid employment than those that do not opt for the "value-added extra" (see a recent topic regarding Stapleford's marketing managers claim for graduates of their courses finding employment).
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Hi,
Nice post studentindebt
I dont mean not to discuss it's just im a bit tired of a specific topic with a simple and specific question diverting to the likes of pay&dont pay for a type rating ( when there is a lively topic about it going on already) and in the end the purpose of the original post or questions are ignored, thats all.
Maybe it's just me and i am interpreting the original post in the wrong way... If so then apologies.
Regards
Nice post studentindebt
I dont mean not to discuss it's just im a bit tired of a specific topic with a simple and specific question diverting to the likes of pay&dont pay for a type rating ( when there is a lively topic about it going on already) and in the end the purpose of the original post or questions are ignored, thats all.
Maybe it's just me and i am interpreting the original post in the wrong way... If so then apologies.
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Hi guys!
Thanks for the replies but the question that i stated was mainly to ask what to expect for the "sim check" part of the assesment day. At no point what so ever did i actually mention that i was a def starter for the course.
The day invloves the already mentioned sim check, physcometric tests, airline type interview with chief pilot and technical exam.
From this you are given full feedback on each part to identify all strengths and weaknesses. Not just a simple suitable/unsuitable per subject heading.
Now for me it will give me an idea wether to persue ambition of a pilot or it may just say, hell no chance. Least that way i'll know rather than forking out 50k+ and never making it past the training.
As for all this dont pay for type rating stuff etc, should that decsion not be left to the individual?? Yeah if they have money to burn, which i dont, go ahead. I'm interested in this scheme because it will maybe make me stand out for the other 200 odd CV's lying on that desk. In all honesty i'd rather do an OAT full time course or learn outside the UK but it is not poss. For almost the same money i can get a type rating and 100hrs actual flying experience with an airline. Now if i were too go to a bank and ask for money they would ask, OAT gives you what? - min flying hrs to gain licence then off you go. Stapleford? - A type rating plus experience. (please note i know there is no offer of a job at the end of the course and i am considering it on the assumtion that there never will be!!!! From Astraeus maybe anyway).
Now, which would you rather go for if the bank manager? The one that is the same from the OAT processing line or the one that has made an effort to have a distinct difference.
Please dont post anymore about to buy or not to buy a type rating.
Now back to my original question about the, what to expect???
Kempus
Thanks for the replies but the question that i stated was mainly to ask what to expect for the "sim check" part of the assesment day. At no point what so ever did i actually mention that i was a def starter for the course.
The day invloves the already mentioned sim check, physcometric tests, airline type interview with chief pilot and technical exam.
From this you are given full feedback on each part to identify all strengths and weaknesses. Not just a simple suitable/unsuitable per subject heading.
Now for me it will give me an idea wether to persue ambition of a pilot or it may just say, hell no chance. Least that way i'll know rather than forking out 50k+ and never making it past the training.
As for all this dont pay for type rating stuff etc, should that decsion not be left to the individual?? Yeah if they have money to burn, which i dont, go ahead. I'm interested in this scheme because it will maybe make me stand out for the other 200 odd CV's lying on that desk. In all honesty i'd rather do an OAT full time course or learn outside the UK but it is not poss. For almost the same money i can get a type rating and 100hrs actual flying experience with an airline. Now if i were too go to a bank and ask for money they would ask, OAT gives you what? - min flying hrs to gain licence then off you go. Stapleford? - A type rating plus experience. (please note i know there is no offer of a job at the end of the course and i am considering it on the assumtion that there never will be!!!! From Astraeus maybe anyway).
Now, which would you rather go for if the bank manager? The one that is the same from the OAT processing line or the one that has made an effort to have a distinct difference.
Please dont post anymore about to buy or not to buy a type rating.
Now back to my original question about the, what to expect???
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Has anyone done the SFC/Astraeus 737 + 100hrs on type scheme and got a job with that experience?
(please no more discussion on self funded type ratings as done on another thred)
Just interested whether the scheme is getting people jobs.
(please no more discussion on self funded type ratings as done on another thred)
Just interested whether the scheme is getting people jobs.
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I am able to say that at the current time nobody on the above scheme has finished the ab-anitio training element (most are around PPL / Hour building stage) and therefore no pilots have achieved the B737 TR through the discussed scheme. Therefore it is inpossible that anybody has recieved an interview having 'finished' the scheme for a B737 job.
All I can say is that for c. £50k, personally I would rather have a fATPL with MCC, B737 TR, all required SEP/Safety courses and 100 Hrs jet experience for approximately the same cost that other FTO's are charging for their basic Intergated fATPL courses. At the end of the day you will definately be higher up that pile of CV's on the Chief Pilots desk when it comes down to it.
All I can say is that for c. £50k, personally I would rather have a fATPL with MCC, B737 TR, all required SEP/Safety courses and 100 Hrs jet experience for approximately the same cost that other FTO's are charging for their basic Intergated fATPL courses. At the end of the day you will definately be higher up that pile of CV's on the Chief Pilots desk when it comes down to it.
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Can't comment on the Astraeus scheme in conjunction with SFC as I don't know much about it, however, I can say that I completed CPL/IR MCC at SFC and along with at least a dozen others I can think of over the last 2yrs, we are all flying for various airlines on numerous different types.
In my opinion SFC is a first class outfit providing quality and competitively priced training with excellent contacts in the airline industry..
Good luck all who sail in her.. & Merry Xmas SFC!!
In my opinion SFC is a first class outfit providing quality and competitively priced training with excellent contacts in the airline industry..
Good luck all who sail in her.. & Merry Xmas SFC!!
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I know a few guys who did the Global scheme at Astraeus back in June and are still waiting for their line sectors. I guess having sent back a couple of 737's and put two out to wet lease in Asia there is a desperate shortage of training capacity, so watch out if you are expecting a fast track to the airlines, the 100hrs might take you a year. I understand they now offer Airbus?
I would rather spend my money with CTC or Jet2.
I would rather spend my money with CTC or Jet2.
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Anyone trained here/or training here?? Im interested in the zero hours to CPL/IR modular course which enables me to do my ground study/exams at the Glasgow College of Nautical Studies.
Also considering combining this with the Astraeus 737 type rating/line training upon completion of the IR. Does anyone have any suggestions or personnal experience??
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Also considering combining this with the Astraeus 737 type rating/line training upon completion of the IR. Does anyone have any suggestions or personnal experience??
Many thanks
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I did the latter part of my training at Stapleford , some of the hours building, the CPL, multi rating and the I/R.
Great school and top notch instructors who really know their stuff. I found them very flexible and will work hard to fit in with you and your availability.
I start the MCC and JOT with Astraeus in a few weeks so I cant comment on how good or bad they are other than to say, I am more than happy with the price they quoted me for those two courses.
Kilo if I can help you anymore feel free to send me a PM.
Great school and top notch instructors who really know their stuff. I found them very flexible and will work hard to fit in with you and your availability.
I start the MCC and JOT with Astraeus in a few weeks so I cant comment on how good or bad they are other than to say, I am more than happy with the price they quoted me for those two courses.
Kilo if I can help you anymore feel free to send me a PM.
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I also did my latter part of the training at SFC couple of years ago. Would agree with comments above and would recommend SFC to anyone.
I didn't do the Astraeus thing as it was only just being thought about when I was there, I did however like all the people who I trained with manage to get an airline job not long after MCC.
Good Luck.
I didn't do the Astraeus thing as it was only just being thought about when I was there, I did however like all the people who I trained with manage to get an airline job not long after MCC.
Good Luck.
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Just wondered if anyone has actually completed stapleford's ATPL course as well as the Astraeus course (B737 type rating)???
Have you mangaged to get a job?
What did you think of the training?
Did Stapleford or astraeus help with emmployment?
Any other comments?
Is the type rating and line experience with astraeus necessary?
Have you mangaged to get a job?
What did you think of the training?
Did Stapleford or astraeus help with emmployment?
Any other comments?
Is the type rating and line experience with astraeus necessary?
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I am begining training at Stapleford Flight Centre in the second week of October. Took a lot from my visits, fairly relaxed school which holds a good reputation. I am aiming to do my type rating/line training with Astraeus upon completion of my CPL/IR. However there is a lot of work to be done before then...one step at a time and all!!!