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Started doing the DL with London Guildhall (later to morph into London Met). The notes are very comprehensive, and some would probably say (quite rightly) wordy. The level the notes are pitched to is more in line with a degree course, rather than a professional one. All the information you need is in the notes, but you have to read all the background and superfluous info to get to the nuts and bolts. Great if you have a spare 6 months and no other distractions as if you could understand ever page of the Guildhall notes, not only would you breeze the exams, you should also be able get a job teaching the ATPL's as well. As a result of this, I could not get into studying the notes by DL and went full time. And what a difference it made. With a full time lecturer to highlight the important parts and also provide an explanation to the background info as well, this helped me no end, I even found the course enjoyable!!! Most of the lecturers there are knowledgable and keep the lessons moving at a good pace (and some not so good). The learning environment is much more like school with rows of desk and whiteboard waffle, however as I spent most of my yoof learning that way found the style quite familiar.
Anyway, my advice. If you have to do DL, go through Bristol as their notes are concise and well written, have a good multimedia suite. Their admin and teaching staff are incrediably helpful (and knowledgable which helps) even to people from other schools. London Met need to cut down on the waffle to become a serious player in the DL market
Advise please from people who have done ATPL at London Metropolitan Uni
I am booked for the ATPL Residential course starting at the end of August at London Metropolitan. I am doing the ATPL course by taking a gap year.
I was wondering, given the workload of the ATPL course, will it be possible for me to complete an A-Level Maths side by side with the ATPLs. This involves attening lessons twice a week, 3 hours each lesson (in the evening).
I dont want to fail any of the ATPL subjects but I need to do the maths A-Level to get into an electronic engineering degree the year after.
I know people who have managed to keep a partime job doing residential ATPL. I personally dont want to end up failing in anything by putting too much pressure on myself! Im looking for some guidance from people who have completed a residential ATPL course at London Metropolitan and knows first hand what the work load is like. Please advise me whether this is a sensible decision for me to make.
I would not recommend it Pilot16. I did the residential ATPL's at LMU and it took up most of my time for 6 or 7 months. Lessons are from Monday to Friday 0900 to 1600 if I recall; and I had to do at least 3 hours a night just to keep up with the workload, sometimes more. Plenty of the weekend is also eaten up by studies.
I've had the pleasure of doing a Pure and Applied Maths A-Level (in the past) so I know how much time that takes too.
Sorry but if you're residential, the ATPL's will consume your life for the duration.
Thanks for that Now Ill be rethinking my decisions...
anyone else have any comments?
The problem is, I really must have maths A-Level, otherwise none of the universities will accept me onto an engineering degree course. Im very inclined into technical areas (also explains why i want to fly for a living)...however I made a small mistake in not choosing maths for A-Level. Im not interested in other type of degree. I have researched other degrees such as aviation management etc. But those seem to do little in the way of being a pilot and providing a back-up to fall back on...
If I do opt for doing the maths A-Level with the ATPL course, surely with a lot of commitment I can succeed in passing all 14 ATPLs first time and also get a good grade for the A-Level. The maths and ATPL course should also compliment each other I would immagine?
I live very close to LMU, only a small cycling distance away...living with parents too... So basically I dont have much else to be stressed about unlike a lot of other ATPL buddies that would be on my course...
The maths and ATPL course should also compliment each other I would immagine?
Not really I'm afraid. If you ask anyone that has done the ATPL's; I think most would agree that the difficulty comes, not from the complexity of the subjects, but from the sheer volume of information to cram into your head.
If you're a youngster, it may be that you are at an advantage because your brain is in gear for studying, however, I still would not recommend it. The ATPL course is quite overwhelming.
I was wondering, given the workload of the ATPL course, will it be possible for me to complete an A-Level Maths side by side with the ATPLs
I have only met 2 people who I think might manage that epic task, and that would only be by putting much less effort into getting good 1st time JAR passes.
It sounds like you have plenty of drive so I would suggest ATPL's first then do your Maths A-Level if you wish. Once you've dealt with the JAR exam workload, you'll eat the A-Level alive, and I'm not denegrating anyone with A-Levels.
Thanks very much guys for your replies. PFD, what you have suggested means that I will take two years before I start the degree which I dont like, tho thanks for the suggestion.
The university of my choice has accepted AS-Level Maths so long as I manage a grade B in it which I think Im capable of. This is half an A-Level hence half the workload which I know with my zeal I can manage AND succeed in with all 14 ATPL exams first time passes.
Im thinking I will go for the AS-Level and not the full A-Level, this will make it easier to cope with the ATPL
I know I will have to work flat out 24/7, and Im prepared to do that, being a professional pilot is my long held dream and I believe I have the zeal, commitment to make it happen.
I just wanted to know if Im putting my self into a no-win situation. It seems from the response that it is POSSIBLE tho not recommended what Im doing. Given my circumstances I think I will do the AS-Level maths course as well with the ATPLs.
If anyone thinks Im making a tremendous mistake, please advise me not to do this before its too late for me.
I did not do the distance leanring course at LMU, I was a full time student, however, for what it is worth I would stick with the way the course is structured. You can get an awful lot done in one week, and it would be valuable exam preparation time.
I did the full time course at Lon Met too so can't advise on the distance learning brush-up weeks. However, if you're in full time work and you really don't want to take 3 weeks off, I'd try and manage it so the weeks that you go in for cover subjects like Gen/Radio Nav, Instruments, A/C Gen etc that you may have many questions about. Subjects like Law, Comms, Ops can easily be studied at home. So I guess if things are tricky regarding time off from work, then missing these lectures would cause the least damage.
was in a similar situation to yourself for the whole of last year - i know how difficult it is to have a full time job, have to study eves and w/ends and still try not end up a hermit !
the guys there are quite understanding with DL students when it comes to residential weeks, make sure you do well with the prog tests and when going to college know what you want to get out of each session for the various subjects. some like law, ops, rad nav etc are feedback type subjects, the others like gen nav, perf, planning, a/c gen are really useful to have a day with the lecturers, esp if there are only a small group of you - remember, its your day at the college.
I did distance learning but it was a couple of years ago and the structure has changed a bit since then. We did 2 blocks with a brush up week at the end of each block.
I found the brush up weeks very helpful and would say do them if you can,you will get a lot of feedback questions and advice on technique. If you cannot make all of them try to make the tricker ones Systems,POF,Performance,Gen Nav,Met,Flight Planning,Instruments.
Much appreciated. I'm doing the firrst lot, POF, Perf and AGK, systems etc. POF seems endless although its only a 1 paper.
It makes me think how many people actually use this info whilst on the job and actaully remember it after the exams. I understand you need a lot of it but other parts, I really don't know. Still, I guess its got tobe done...
I am looking for information regarding the residential ATPL theory course at London Metropolitan University as compared to other organisations across the UK.
Specifically, I want to know if it really makes a difference where the course is taken, or if all the organisations give an equally good education. Moneywise, London Metro has one of the cheapest offerings.
What are the facilities like? How much does it cost to live in London for a period of six to seven months? Where in London is the campus located, and near which general aviation airports?