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I didn't go to the student accomodation office, I just sorted myself out from the list of local accomodation, which was available from the civil aviation department's office. That way you aren't 'competing' with loads of other students, just joe public. There was plenty of space within walking distance of tower hill.
Hmmmm when I did my ATPL it was LGU and I got all the attention from the two helpfull ladies at LGU civil aviation Dep, J& J they are very Co-operative and very kind too, they know the needs of the students who come from out of London . Worth of trying mate ,, they will not let you down ......
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I think a big problem with this sort of question is very few people have done an ATPL with two schools!
Personally, I cannot fault Bristol (as little as I have done - about a quarter way through) and I was not that impressed with the LGH ATPL for silly pedantic what can I do to make a choice type reasons (if you see what I mean!).
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED BRISTOL OR OXFORD ARE THE ONLY PLACES TO DO GROUNDSCHOOL. I WAS AT BRISTOL AND I FOUND IT VERY GOOD HOWEVER THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER IS THE QUALITY OF THE FEEDBACK QUESTIONS. BRISTOL IS VERY GOOD FOR MOST SUBJECTS EXCEPT POF. I WAS LUCKY AND GOT OXFORD STUFF FOR POF, INSTS, AIR LAW AND MET. BRISTOL IS A VERY FRIENDLY AND HELPFUL PLACE TO STUDY. DON'T GO SOMEWHERE COS IT'S CHEAPER, U'LL GET SHAFTED WITH YOUR £50 RESISTS!!
I looked very closely at London Guildhall. The main benefit seems to be that they structure their course differently to every other school.
When I was doing my research, they had two modules (as do the other schools) - but organised in such a way that the amount of time I'd have to take off work to do the exams was half that I'd need at any other school - which, for me, was a big factor. In the end, I decided that the quality of the notes from Bristol outweighted the advantages of LGU's course structure, and I went with Bristol, so I don't have any first-hand experience of what their course is actually like.
I believe that they don't structure their course in this way any more - but they are continuing to try to innovate with their course structure. As far as I'm aware, they are now the only school which do the course in three modules rather than two. This would, I would imagine, suit people who might find 6-8 exams too many to do in one go, and would prefer to spread them out more.
As with me, if their course structure appeals to you then you will have to weigh this against any other advantages/disadvantages to make your choice.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED BRISTOL OR OXFORD ARE THE ONLY PLACES TO DO GROUNDSCHOOL
Have you been to both then? You must have been to LGU as well to be able to offer such comments.
I originally opted for Bristol DL, however, since realising that i could probably give up work and go full time, i am opting for LGU/London Met as they are a ten minute walf from my front door! I guess it all depends on personal circumstances.
If you are going the DL route, then based on the comments you read on PPRuNe, you can do little wrong by going to OAT/BGS, however, i feel that if you're willing to put in the effort and time wherever you go will not matter too much.
As number cruncher rightly points out I haven't been to both, HOWEVER having been through the groundschool and passed all the exams you get a real insight of what is needed to get through. You will discover which scools are better or better avoided by word of mouth. On the subject of Guildhall, a mate who I met at Bristol didn't speak very highly of them(asking yourself yet why he had to go to bristol aswell!) I have never heard anyone talking about any other groundschools in a good light apart from Oxford and bristol. The quality of the feedback is more important than the teaching for most subjects. You just learn most of the stuff for the exams and never use it again. Never heard of a line pilot needing to know what plane a gyro drifts in!!!
Well, I'm doing residential ATPL studies at London Metropolitan and we're told the next course is full already and the current first time pass rates are in the 90%s, so they must be easily attracting people through word of mouth reputation - in my case my PPL instructor had studied here and I was impressed how thoroughly he knew his stuff - and I certainly have nothing but glowing things to say about the school thus far.
Be careful not to take what you read in ppruneworld as it seems. Clearly some random person who's had bother with their first attempts and is now at some other groundschool isn't going to be too positive an ambassador, and a lot of the profiling that certain other schools get on PPRuNe is just related to the incidental participation of some of their staff and alumni on here.
I would hope there are fewer spelling mistakes in the materials at Oxford and Bristol but it should be fairly easy to inspect the notes provided on each course before making your choice, just ring them up and ask. For me what helps a lot is experienced and devoted lecturers who can bring subjects to life and shed light on the written material and practice/feedback questions. I also like to save money!
i am nearing the end of my distance learning ATPL course with them, and have found them very good. their set up suited me better than any of the others, primarily because they only require a 2 week residential segment, whereas others require 4.
their notes are comprehensive (although not too many colour pictures, but that never bothered me), which tends to put some people off, because they only want to learn what is needed to pass the exams. however at the exam prep week they focus on what is more important for the exam, the feedback is excellent, and they have always promptly responded to any email/phone call enquiries that i had.
no matter how good or bad any notes are, it all boils down to how much comittment and effort YOU put in
so from my experience, i have been more than happy with them.
I finished the resendential course at LMU in July, and on the whole I was very satisfied and enjoyed my time there. I can not really compare the ground school to Oxford or Bristol, simply because I have not been there, however, I have heard Bristol is very good for distance learning and mixed reports about Oxford.
With respect to LMU, it is good value for money and it does the job. I think around 70% of the class I was in passed all 14 subjects first time with very good averages, with the others only having one or two retakes to do. On saying that everyone on the course did work particularly hard.
With respect to the instructors, on the whole generally good. There is a spread of experience throughout and they are approachable and willing to help you.
Whilst I was at the University the notes were in the process of being updated. The new notes are in hard book form and have been re-written with colour illustrations. I used mostly the old notes (the new notes were not available at this time). I must admit I did find myself buying supplement notes, for example a number of Jeppsen Oxford manuals, for some of the harder subjects. I found the diagrams in the OATS notes a lot clearer and easy to understand.
If you do decide on the resedential course think carefully about where you are going to live. LMU is just on the northern side of the Tower of London, therefere a bit of a pain to get to if you are commuting. I rented a flat and lived in the city (a 20 minute bike ride) and found it very convinient.
I have said this a number of times here, but you will get out of this course what you put in. Obviously you have to be comfortable at your place of study, but your attitude towards your work must be disiplined. I would suggest going to the Univeristy and having a look around, look at their notes and see what you think.
I was on the same LMU course as CAT3C, and I can not complain about the tuition either. I think I have a somewhat unique perspective on things as I started Distance Learning, passing the exams I took first time, but decided that it was taking me too long. So I then joined on the Residential section. I have to admit that whilst I didn't like all the commuting into London, the Residential course suited me far better in a learning sense.
The notes are identical for both courses, and contain everything you need to pass the exams. They also contain a lot of handy/interesting information too. However, there is a fair amount of waffle too! The trouble is, if you do Distance Learning you don't know which sections to commit to memory, and which sections don't need this effort. Therefore it does take a lot longer to get through each subject.
Also, the practical subjects like General Nav and Flight Planning really are best when taught by a walking-talking experienced tutor! I cannot imagine having to learn these subjects by teaching myself, I'd get totally caught up in CRP-5 madness! As it happens, for these subjects I think LMU have got the best tutors around. The only way to crack these subjects is by actually doing questions, and to do it Distance Learning would take an incredible amount of self-discipline. After all, who in their right mind would CHOOSE to spend their time practicing 25 questions that in essence are the same, but just with re-jigged numbers?! Rest assured, the tutors will make you do enough questions you don't even have to think...it just comes as second nature.
At the end of the day, it's your decision. I can only recommend LMU as a good groundschool, and suggest that you talk to them about perhaps tailor-making a course to suit you. ie Technical subjects Distance Learning, Practical subjects Residential. Then just hope the CAA are ok with you doing that....!
Hope I've helped to shed some light on affairs, any other questions, just ask!!