FAA PPL in Ireland info.
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FAA PPL in Ireland info.
Just for piece of mind I mailed the IAA about obtaining an FAA cert and was I eligible to use at home. This is the reply I got from the IAA
Dear Sean
Thank you for your email.
Under current Irish legislation (Article 5(10) of the Irish Aviation Authority (Personnel Licensing) Order 2000 (S.I. 333 of 2000) – view online at https://www.iaa.ie/docs/default-sour...0.pdf?sfvrsn=4 ), the holder of an ICAO Annex 1 compliant licence (e.g. FAA) can exercise PPL licence privileges on Irish registered aircraft, albeit under conditions that may be more limiting than those applicable in the USA.
The full extract of Article 5(10) is as follows:-
“(10) For the purposes of this Article, a valid and subsisting licence, other than a JAA licence, issued by any other state which is a member of the International Civil Aviation Organisation in conformity with Annex I (Personnel Licensing) to the Chicago Convention purporting to authorise the holder thereof to act as a flight crew member of an aircraft, not being a licence purporting to authorise that holder to act as a student pilot only, shall be deemed to be a licence validated by the Authority under the provisions of this Order entitling the holder thereof to fly as a member of the flight crew of a private aircraft insofar as the holder is permitted to do so by the terms of the licence and by the law of the state by which it was issued:
Provided that-
i) the holder of such a licence shall not, for the purposes of this Order, exercise any privilege relating to instruction in flying or flight under the instrument flight rules which may be attached to the licence unless otherwise so entitled under this Order,
ii) if the Authority sees fit to do so, it may at any time prohibit the holder of such a licence from exercising the privileges conferred by this subparagraph and, in that event, such licence shall cease to be deemed to be a licence validated by the Authority under the provisions of this Order.”
The above provision basically allows the applicant to exercise the privileges of an FAA PPL licence without any administrative requirement, under day, VFR conditions only. The FAA licence and medical certificate must be kept valid in accordance with FAA regulations. You must hold a valid FAA 1st or 2nd Class medical certificate in order to fly in Ireland. An FAA 3rd Class medical certificate is not valid outside of the USA. A valid English Language Proficiency endorsement must also be endorsed on the FAA licence.
For info, it was intended that European legislation (EU Regulation 1178/2011 (as amended)) would override the above automatic validation arrangements, and require 3rd country licence holders to either obtain a validation of the ICAO licence, or convert it to an EU pilot licence – both entailing written exams and a skill test. There has been a derogation available to EU states for a number of years to defer implementation of the EU requirements, the latest of which expired on 7th April 2017. Whilst a further extension to the derogation (until 8th April 2019) has been agreed, European legislation will not be amended until late 2017, so there will be a period of 6-7 months whereby the new requirement to obtain a validation or do a conversion would legally be applicable. To avoid this unsatisfactory state of affairs, EASA advised Member States of a legal workaround which requires EASA States to issue an exemption to each pilot to cover the period between 8th April 2017 and whenever EU legislation is amended. The IAA has published the required exemption (in respect of flying Irish registered aircraft) in its Aeronautical Notice No. P.25 (view online at https://www.iaa.ie/publications?taxo...nnel-licensing )
If I can assist further, please let me know.
Regards
Aeronautical Executive, RPPLD
Irish Aviation Authority
Times Building
11-12 D’Olier Street
Dublin 2
Ireland
What do some of you think
?
Is it ok to post this also?
Dear Sean
Thank you for your email.
Under current Irish legislation (Article 5(10) of the Irish Aviation Authority (Personnel Licensing) Order 2000 (S.I. 333 of 2000) – view online at https://www.iaa.ie/docs/default-sour...0.pdf?sfvrsn=4 ), the holder of an ICAO Annex 1 compliant licence (e.g. FAA) can exercise PPL licence privileges on Irish registered aircraft, albeit under conditions that may be more limiting than those applicable in the USA.
The full extract of Article 5(10) is as follows:-
“(10) For the purposes of this Article, a valid and subsisting licence, other than a JAA licence, issued by any other state which is a member of the International Civil Aviation Organisation in conformity with Annex I (Personnel Licensing) to the Chicago Convention purporting to authorise the holder thereof to act as a flight crew member of an aircraft, not being a licence purporting to authorise that holder to act as a student pilot only, shall be deemed to be a licence validated by the Authority under the provisions of this Order entitling the holder thereof to fly as a member of the flight crew of a private aircraft insofar as the holder is permitted to do so by the terms of the licence and by the law of the state by which it was issued:
Provided that-
i) the holder of such a licence shall not, for the purposes of this Order, exercise any privilege relating to instruction in flying or flight under the instrument flight rules which may be attached to the licence unless otherwise so entitled under this Order,
ii) if the Authority sees fit to do so, it may at any time prohibit the holder of such a licence from exercising the privileges conferred by this subparagraph and, in that event, such licence shall cease to be deemed to be a licence validated by the Authority under the provisions of this Order.”
The above provision basically allows the applicant to exercise the privileges of an FAA PPL licence without any administrative requirement, under day, VFR conditions only. The FAA licence and medical certificate must be kept valid in accordance with FAA regulations. You must hold a valid FAA 1st or 2nd Class medical certificate in order to fly in Ireland. An FAA 3rd Class medical certificate is not valid outside of the USA. A valid English Language Proficiency endorsement must also be endorsed on the FAA licence.
For info, it was intended that European legislation (EU Regulation 1178/2011 (as amended)) would override the above automatic validation arrangements, and require 3rd country licence holders to either obtain a validation of the ICAO licence, or convert it to an EU pilot licence – both entailing written exams and a skill test. There has been a derogation available to EU states for a number of years to defer implementation of the EU requirements, the latest of which expired on 7th April 2017. Whilst a further extension to the derogation (until 8th April 2019) has been agreed, European legislation will not be amended until late 2017, so there will be a period of 6-7 months whereby the new requirement to obtain a validation or do a conversion would legally be applicable. To avoid this unsatisfactory state of affairs, EASA advised Member States of a legal workaround which requires EASA States to issue an exemption to each pilot to cover the period between 8th April 2017 and whenever EU legislation is amended. The IAA has published the required exemption (in respect of flying Irish registered aircraft) in its Aeronautical Notice No. P.25 (view online at https://www.iaa.ie/publications?taxo...nnel-licensing )
If I can assist further, please let me know.
Regards
Aeronautical Executive, RPPLD
Irish Aviation Authority
Times Building
11-12 D’Olier Street
Dublin 2
Ireland
What do some of you think
? Is it ok to post this also?
My commentary would be that the IAA representative is incorrect about the FAA 3rd class medical: the FAA issues it with no restrictions on validity outside of the USA, i.e. there is no chance of FAA action as a result, while recognizing that foreign law can add any additional restriction for operations within that specific foreign country.
One level below the FAA 3rd class medical is Basic Med, the new FAA certification, and it is FAA restricted in validity to operations within the USA.
Other than that, it sounds like the author is trying to be helpful in what has under EU regulation become a hopelessly incompetent shambles.
One level below the FAA 3rd class medical is Basic Med, the new FAA certification, and it is FAA restricted in validity to operations within the USA.
Other than that, it sounds like the author is trying to be helpful in what has under EU regulation become a hopelessly incompetent shambles.
