More bad publicity for UK GA in the press today

[Private jet]

Originally Posted by biscuit74

I have long struggled to understand why the CAA and now EASA allow non US citizens to fly US registered aircraft here for years. I suspect it is done by some owners to save money and cut corners on maintenance and oversight.
Indeed I can think of at least two cases where that was privately admitted.

Sadly I suspect we will all find private air travel falling under more suspicion.

IATA perhaps? Oh hang on though EASA isn't an IATA member because that doesn't suit it's political agenda.
On the original issue, More seeds of Thatchers free market economy bearing their sour fruit maybe?

[piperboy84]

Originally Posted by Jay Sata

Well if you go down that road Piperboy what about N reg aircraft in the UK and Europe often registered to obscure Delaware organisations? The reason criminals like N reg aircraft is the lack of supervision in Europe by the FAA.

I can't register my UK car with an American plate so how come non US citizens can register an aircraft that is based in Great Britain or Europe with the FAA?

Not sure about that Jay, I don't think criminals put too much thought into what registration the aircraft is when they're planning on using one to commit a crime, no more so than a bank robber cares if he's using a chevy or a ford as a getaway car. But if I was a criminal the absolute last choice would be to use an N reg knowing just how far the Feds will go with applying their laws extraterritorily on the most remote of connections then extraditing if they really want to get someone (Think FIFA bosses indictment) . I suppose the folks mentioned above who were smuggling with N Regis are not on the Feds radar for anything else but if they were and they wanted to lock em up stateside they would most definitely use the fact they were flying an N reg while committing a crime to get hold of them, that or the fact that any N Reg being used outside the US must have a Federal radio license would be another legal excuse they'd use to get you into an orange boilersuit if they really wanted you for something you were dodging them on, especially if an American was a victim. The Feds tend to view other countries including European ones as mere vassals when it comes to doing something they really want to do. Also, Finding out details of an N reg owned by a Delaware corp takes about 2 minutes to look up online.

[Jonzarno]

More seeds of Thatchers free market economy bearing their sour fruit maybe?

I'm not so sure that the fruit is "sour". This particular bit of market economics is what has allowed hundreds (thousands?) of pilots to choose a sensible route to an IR and a proportionate maintenance regime.

[Shaggy Sheep Driver]

Originally Posted by piperboy84

But the "check in" for flights to and from Europe is simply filing a GAR online with skydemon etc. and a call to the cops where their primary concern is smuggling drugs, people and money etc. it does not involve diverting to a location where the cops are based. For flights to Ulster I just stick a note in with the receptionist at the cop shop in the town while I'm picking up my morning coffee prior to departure so again not an expense or major inconvenience. The primary focus of the Ulster flight notification is I believe to indentify those who may like to sing Fields of Athenry with a tad too much gusto and conviction.

Back when I did it regularly, you had to physically depart from and arrive at Special Branch manned airfield (in our case, usually Liverpool or Manchester and Ronadlsway). We were Barton based, so the diversion to either was expensive and time consuming.

Glad it's easier these days.

[Mike Flynn]

It looks like it is about to get harder.

New checks at many EU airports have left holidaymakers facing long queues, an airline lobby group has warned.
Rule changes brought in after recent terror attacks mean people entering and leaving the Schengen area, which allows passport-free movement across much of the EU, face more security checks.
Airlines For Europe (A4E) said people were having to wait for up to four hours and some had missed flights.
The European Commission said the delays were "the price of security".

EU airport security checks: Holidaymakers 'face long delays' - BBC News

It will be interesting to see how this applies to GA.

The new measures introduced in response to attacks in Paris and Brussels mean the details of passengers from non-Schengen countries, such as the UK, are run through databases to alert authorities if they are known to pose a threat.
A4E, which represents carriers including Easyjet, Ryanair and British Airways-owner IAG, said delays at some airports had increased by 300% compared with last year.
Managing director Thomas Reynaert said: "Travellers face long lines and can't get on their flights. Queuing for up to four hours has been the top record these days.
"Airports like Madrid, Palma de Mallorca, Lisbon, Lyon, Paris-Orly, Milan or Brussels are producing shameful pictures of devastated passengers in front of immigration booths, in lines stretching hundreds of metres."
A4E added that the situation could worsen in the coming weeks as the new regulations have not yet been fully implemented.

[Deltasierra010]

All you guys who voted for Brexit ( I didn't) are now not so certain it was a good idea, travel by any means to EU is a whole lot more complicated, the days of being waved through are history. Maybe, just maybe there will be good will to ease the flow but an obstructive customs official could ruin your day in so many ways. If any one has bought goods from the US or OZ recently knows the shipping clearance, duty and charges, well, all that from the EU as well.

[Katamarino]

I see there's a few hilariously ignorant people spouting off about N-reg as usual. The reason people fly N-reg in the EU is the fact that pointless EASA regulations add 50%+ to the cost of flying, not to mention the criminally stupid situation with regards to getting a European IR. There's absolutely zero difference to the oversight with regards to criminal behaviour, and the FAA maintenance and licencing system is less onerous, and more effective, than the European system by a mile.

There's a reason that the USA has a fantastic GA scene, and Europe's is horrible. I grew up in the UK and have flown for years, and thousands of hours, under both systems. I own an airplane in the US and if I ever own one in the EU, it'll be on the N-reg.

[Johnm]

Originally Posted by Katamarino

I see there's a few hilariously ignorant people spouting off about N-reg as usual. The reason people fly N-reg in the EU is the fact that pointless EASA regulations add 50%+ to the cost of flying, not to mention the criminally stupid situation with regards to getting a European IR. There's absolutely zero difference to the oversight with regards to criminal behaviour, and the FAA maintenance and licencing system is less onerous, and more effective, than the European system by a mile.

There's a reason that the USA has a fantastic GA scene, and Europe's is horrible. I grew up in the UK and have flown for years, and thousands of hours, under both systems. I own an airplane in the US and if I ever own one in the EU, it'll be on the N-reg.

Actually EASA is significantly less onerous than CAA or JAA and improving steadily.

[EddieHeli]

Originally Posted by Deltasierra010

All you guys who voted for Brexit ( I didn't) are now not so certain it was a good idea, travel by any means to EU is a whole lot more complicated, the days of being waved through are history. Maybe, just maybe there will be good will to ease the flow but an obstructive customs official could ruin your day in so many ways. If any one has bought goods from the US or OZ recently knows the shipping clearance, duty and charges, well, all that from the EU as well.

And What exactly has this got to do with Brexit? I notice that many of those who voted against find any excuse to blame anything adverse on Brexit.
We were non-Schengen before Brexit, and will be afterwards, so no change there then.

The new measures introduced in response to attacks in Paris and Brussels mean the details of passengers from non-Schengen countries, such as the UK, are run through databases to alert authorities if they are known to pose a threat.