FAA capitulates to city of Santa Monica.
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let me see if I understand this right - there are highly skilled professionals coming to your country, rising the GDP, paying taxes, attracting investment etc etc, generally making place wealthier around them and you want them out?
and how is it that you yourself can have homes on 2 different continents yet those of Indian subcontinent can't?
and how is it that you yourself can have homes on 2 different continents yet those of Indian subcontinent can't?
As for the the H1b program benefiting the country (and by extension its citizens) its industry and GDP you are having a laugh. The program is no more than a poverty gladiator contest between college debt strapped Americans fighting for a decent job with health and pension benefits against an import with significantly less expectations and with the sultans of corporate America and their Wall st. hedge funder mates sitting in the viewing stands being served by their bought and paid for handmaidens in the congress and senate who just happen to write the visa laws.
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Someone from the Indian sub continent, myself or indeed from anywhere can have as many homes as they like. Where I differ from the folks that come to my door in LA is for the duration of my stay at my home in Spain I don't petition the authorities or agitate my neighbors to cease practicing legal hobbies and permanently dismantle the facilities where these activities are held. Bullfighting being an example of something I disagree with, however If it personally bothered me to the extent I felt I must do something then the proper course of action would be to sell up and get on a plane and go home. Their country, their rules, a visitor swanning in temporarily to dictate how other cultures live is xenophobic or perhaps even racist.
As for the the H1b program benefiting the country (and by extension its citizens) its industry and GDP you are having a laugh. The program is no more than a poverty gladiator contest between college debt strapped Americans fighting for a decent job with health and pension benefits against an import with significantly less expectations and with the sultans of corporate America and their Wall st. hedge funder mates sitting in the viewing stands being served by their bought and paid for handmaidens in the congress and senate who just happen to write the visa laws.
As for the the H1b program benefiting the country (and by extension its citizens) its industry and GDP you are having a laugh. The program is no more than a poverty gladiator contest between college debt strapped Americans fighting for a decent job with health and pension benefits against an import with significantly less expectations and with the sultans of corporate America and their Wall st. hedge funder mates sitting in the viewing stands being served by their bought and paid for handmaidens in the congress and senate who just happen to write the visa laws.
you don't have every immigrant or H1B visa "owner" banging on your door, don't you? You have couple of wackos same way you have couple of British pensioners living in Spain whinging about the local way of life, that doesn't mean you should stop migration as a whole. I don't think you'd like being kicked out of Spain simply because someone else from your country was being annoying?
as for the "poverty gladiator" - if you stop cheap labor (not that "cheap labor" applies to silicon valley) coming in, you don't gain highly paid jobs for locals.. you end up with jobs going in the direction where cheap labor is coming from.. I really thought that americans would have learned this by now looking at what happened to motoring industry etc.. but you will just not learn from the mistakes of the past..
I seriously think countries that built their wealth on slavery, colonialism and exploitation are in no position to complain about immigration, you simply have no moral or legal grounds for it..
Anyway I'm sure your Indian neighbors are not the only ones trying to shut it down.. it's a pity this happens, and as others have stated - it happens all over the world. We are overpopulated. If you wanted to stop it, you should have voted for someone who supports planned parenthood and abortions..
"Someone from the Indian sub continent, myself or indeed from anywhere can have as many homes as they like. Where I differ from the folks that come to my door in LA is for the duration of my stay at my home in Spain I don't petition the authorities or agitate my neighbors to cease practicing legal hobbies and permanently dismantle the facilities where these activities are held. Bullfighting being an example of something I disagree with, however If it personally bothered me to the extent I felt I must do something then the proper course of action would be to sell up and get on a plane and go home."
Spot on!
Spot on!
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Santa Monica is not only convenient for an annual industry convention that I attend at Century City, but also for the President who based his helicopter entourage there during the same week and closed down my planned side trip to Catalina Island with his TFR!
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it's a pity this happens, and as others have stated - it happens all over the world. We are overpopulated.
". Population tends to be incompatible with airplanes, farming, wildlife sanctuaries, weapons testing, and the list goes on. The challenge for those land use activities is that the population has the money. If pilots and aircraft owners paid tens of thousands in hangarage/tiedown fees per year, and hundreds for each landing, the airports would have a fortune with which to justify their existence. But nearly all pilots struggle to justify hundreds for the hangarage, and tens for the landings. Based upon that economic model, the aviation will be economically forced out, let alone perception of nuisance/danger. Airports are generally not financially sustainable, and become less so, when the surrounding property values increase dramatically increase. Pilots and aircraft owners will have to realize that they may have to be willing to be where the flying can happen, and it won't be convenient. Between 30 and 25 years ago, when successively three convenient airports closed, I saw the writing on the wall. I moved, 75 miles toward Canadian nowhere, and bought land. I made peace with all the neighbours in advance, and my planes have peacefully coexisted with a rural area ever since. Over population will not affect my runway during my lifetime.
But, this past year, new to regulation in Canada, new aerodromes may require approval. In the middle of nowhere, success can be assumed. But, in quasi populated areas, the population has a say too. There's a beautiful lake not far from me, and I splashed into it one day in the amphib. I got the evil eye from shore. I had the feeling of being in the wrong place with my 'plane. I left. I mentioned to a friend, and he told me that recently, that lake had been totally privately purchased, and closed to all but the owners. Sure enough, on the next print of the chart, it was marked as not for use. Fair enough, the landowners unified, and bought the entire lake - it's private.
There are awesome vast expanses of space in many places on earth, where airplanes could be operated, and no one would care a bit - over population not a concern. But, they're not convenient!
I echo ST 's litany of the three small airport closures near Toronto. I and many others happily flew at all of them until the real estate developers smelled profits. Well, a construction company did happen to find King City airport more useful as an equipment park
There's folks been clamoring for some decades to close down Toronto Island Airport. The major complaint is noise and fumes. Somehow these folk give the adjacent Gardiner Expressway and Lakeshore Drive a free pass
Rural folk are generally live and let live types. But watch out for estate and ranchette developments. My old glider club was the subject of orchestrated noise complaints from the people who bought into the latest such development. They sicced Transport Canada and the city of Hamilton on us. The previous rural municipality had been forceably amalgamated into Hamilton, a good half hour drive away through farmland
Like ST, I decamped to a two hour drive from a major city.
There's folks been clamoring for some decades to close down Toronto Island Airport. The major complaint is noise and fumes. Somehow these folk give the adjacent Gardiner Expressway and Lakeshore Drive a free pass
Rural folk are generally live and let live types. But watch out for estate and ranchette developments. My old glider club was the subject of orchestrated noise complaints from the people who bought into the latest such development. They sicced Transport Canada and the city of Hamilton on us. The previous rural municipality had been forceably amalgamated into Hamilton, a good half hour drive away through farmland
Like ST, I decamped to a two hour drive from a major city.
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Overpopulation is apparent where people seem to want to be
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A new and major airport was built inFinland a few years ago miles away from the people, but on a good road. The workers at the airport bought land and built houses close to the airport, and guess what? Yes, people now complain about airport noise!
"I seriously think countries that built their wealth on slavery, colonialism and exploitation are in no position to complain about immigration, you simply have no moral or legal grounds for it..."
As regards Indian immigration I am not sure many Africans would agree with you.
As regards Indian immigration I am not sure many Africans would agree with you.
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"I seriously think countries that built their wealth on slavery, colonialism and exploitation are in no position to complain about immigration, you simply have no moral or legal grounds for it..."
As regards Indian immigration I am not sure many Aficrans would agree with you.
As regards Indian immigration I am not sure many Aficrans would agree with you.
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I seriously think countries that built their wealth on slavery, colonialism and exploitation are in no position to complain about immigration, you simply have no moral or legal grounds for it..
Don't forget the Spanish and their Latin American legacy of effective, trustworthy government and responsible population control. That results in US citizens from L.A. and similar places scrambling southbound and overwhelming Mexican infrastructure. At least they can send a little money home so the relatives at home in L.A. can afford fuel for their planes.
The beginning of the end, as reported on Avweb:
The City of Santa Monica has approved a contract for shortening of the runway at SMO from 4,973 feet to 3,500 feet. After years of attempts to close the airport entirely, the City of Santa Monica entered into an agreement in January with the FAA that would permit the city to shorten the runway immediately and to close the airport in 2028. The excess runway will be converted to blastpad and runway overrun spaces. While sufficient for piston, turboprop and even light jet traffic, 3,500 feet won’t be enough runway for owners of the largest business jets, who will have to move their planes elsewhere. The city estimates shortening the runway will reduce jet traffic by 44 percent.
The exact design is scheduled for completion later this month with construction work ongoing from October to December of this year. The airport will be closed overnight for significant portions of this time and the city says operators can expect the airport to be closed for seven to 14 days during this period.
The exact design is scheduled for completion later this month with construction work ongoing from October to December of this year. The airport will be closed overnight for significant portions of this time and the city says operators can expect the airport to be closed for seven to 14 days during this period.
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The NBAA are giving it once last try to block the city, however I think it may be in vain.
NBAA Returns to Court Over Santa Monica | Flying Magazine
NBAA Returns to Court Over Santa Monica | Flying Magazine
