Minimum passenger age - children?
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Why look for rules when there is no need for them? Despite the best efforts of the bureaucrats the other side of the Channel you may, as PIC, fly any passenger as long as you take responsibility for their safety which is your duty under the ANO and our well established common law system.
I have flown my sons since they were babes in arms, which is why they all now have PPL's; our dog sat calmly through gentle aerobatics and when one of my sons won a goldfish in a plastic bag at a shooting stand at an airshow it too survived a few loops on the way home, kept swimming for several years once back on terra firma.
I have flown my sons since they were babes in arms, which is why they all now have PPL's; our dog sat calmly through gentle aerobatics and when one of my sons won a goldfish in a plastic bag at a shooting stand at an airshow it too survived a few loops on the way home, kept swimming for several years once back on terra firma.
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It's an unfortunate habit in this forum that I've commented upon from time to time over the years.
I thought immediately of your boys when this thread was started.
And then about going through Ray Hanna’s logbooks when preparing my eulogy of him for the Thanksgiving Service at RAF St Clement Danes.
I noticed a civvy entry for May 1st 1961: "Passengers: EH & MH" - His wife & their son Mark, who was then aged 18 months.
(Edit)
It's just occurred to me that was 10 years ago. Doesn't time fly!
If anyone is interested, this tribute thread covers everything from the announcement of his death to the Thanksgiving Service a few months later: http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...hanna-afc.html
Well worth reading if you haven't done so already. As well as moving tributes and interesting anecdotes, there are some wonderful photographs of 'the Master' in action.
Why look for rules when there is no need for them?
I thought immediately of your boys when this thread was started.
And then about going through Ray Hanna’s logbooks when preparing my eulogy of him for the Thanksgiving Service at RAF St Clement Danes.
I noticed a civvy entry for May 1st 1961: "Passengers: EH & MH" - His wife & their son Mark, who was then aged 18 months.
(Edit)
It's just occurred to me that was 10 years ago. Doesn't time fly!
If anyone is interested, this tribute thread covers everything from the announcement of his death to the Thanksgiving Service a few months later: http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...hanna-afc.html
Well worth reading if you haven't done so already. As well as moving tributes and interesting anecdotes, there are some wonderful photographs of 'the Master' in action.
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Why look for rules when there is no need for them?
I took my children aged 8 months and 3 from the Michigan to Perth Australia over a nine month period and they remember very little but we had a great time and have some wonderful pictures. No more a big deal than taking them to school in the car and the risks that go with that.
Sadly the western world wants to wrap their offspring in cotton wool these days. In SE Asia kids ride small motorbikes to school from age 12 while in Canada a youngster can solo a Cessna 152 at 14 I believe?
Sadly the western world wants to wrap their offspring in cotton wool these days. In SE Asia kids ride small motorbikes to school from age 12 while in Canada a youngster can solo a Cessna 152 at 14 I believe?
No legal minimum that I'm aware of . Took our ' Boi ' in a C150 at 18mths . Pushed the mainwheel over his foot at 2 [ me more upset than him ] . He threw up regularly , and still does in SEPs . However he became an easyJet A319/320 co-pilot before his 21st , and loves it .
Labrador flying many years ago . Sat in the back of the C150 , his head on your shoulder ' monitoring ' .... '' Come on boys keep her on the C/L '' etc . Went to sleep at 2000' . Woke on the descent ... '' come on boys , left a bit , runways over there '' . Or '' Call that a good landing , I could do better '' .
Old Warden evening airshow ...'' Sorry sir , you'll have to leave dog in 't car '' .
'' Fraid he flew in , in the back of that C150 '' !
'' Oooh Er ! Enjoy the show ''
rgds condor .
Labrador flying many years ago . Sat in the back of the C150 , his head on your shoulder ' monitoring ' .... '' Come on boys keep her on the C/L '' etc . Went to sleep at 2000' . Woke on the descent ... '' come on boys , left a bit , runways over there '' . Or '' Call that a good landing , I could do better '' .
Old Warden evening airshow ...'' Sorry sir , you'll have to leave dog in 't car '' .
'' Fraid he flew in , in the back of that C150 '' !
'' Oooh Er ! Enjoy the show ''
rgds condor .
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Both daughters (then aged 6 and 8) were dead keen to go flying with me as soon as I'd got my PPL.
The elder landed a bit green and isn't massively keen, the younger will go every time she gets the chance.
But when the elder recently had a coastal erosion geography fieldwork project to do of the Norfolk coast she soon realised there would be bonus points on offer if she had some aerial photos to include . . . not so reluctant then.
I have wondered about dogs though, how do you protect their hearing from the noise in the cockpit ?
The elder landed a bit green and isn't massively keen, the younger will go every time she gets the chance.
But when the elder recently had a coastal erosion geography fieldwork project to do of the Norfolk coast she soon realised there would be bonus points on offer if she had some aerial photos to include . . . not so reluctant then.
I have wondered about dogs though, how do you protect their hearing from the noise in the cockpit ?
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Pushed the mainwheel over his foot at 2 [ me more upset than him]
I'm amazed no-one has mentioned the attached. If you have perhaps just returned from Mars and haven't seen it, then sit back and enjoy. Surely one of the most delightful videos ever. I never tire of seeing it.
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I would post mine, but they were stolen whilst I was in hospital.
I had some fabulous one's with my daughters in the Caribbean, island hopping.
Back here, I had a brilliant cockpit clip with middle daughter [4 then] in a C310 convinced that she had won a spot landing competition at North Weald.
She was close. Came 2nd
This is one of my favourites on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqiBcGziEUc
I had some fabulous one's with my daughters in the Caribbean, island hopping.
Back here, I had a brilliant cockpit clip with middle daughter [4 then] in a C310 convinced that she had won a spot landing competition at North Weald.
She was close. Came 2nd
This is one of my favourites on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqiBcGziEUc
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Experience with a two year old passenger aboard?
A friend wants to bring their two year old along for a flight in the 172. Does anyone have any experience? They've got a car seat which I'm assuming is just going to fit onto the back seat and strap in? What about a headset, will a normal club headset do the task? I'd rather say no and save the agro but it may not be too difficult, and it could be a good experience for all, well I am hoping... unless I have a screaming child for the duration in which case I'll be call for a straight in approach!
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I recall my 2yo daughter came along on a pleasure flight in a pa28. 'Twas a crisp and still November afternoon from Plymouth eastwards over the South Hams.
She wore an adult sized headset and had been pretty well briefed. Some small puffy clouds provided a bit of interest but it wasn't long before the engine vibrations sent her to sleep.
Of course, it could easily have been screaming abdabs.
She wore an adult sized headset and had been pretty well briefed. Some small puffy clouds provided a bit of interest but it wasn't long before the engine vibrations sent her to sleep.
Of course, it could easily have been screaming abdabs.
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That young you definitely want an adult whose sole job is to look after the child. And a child headset if you can manage it, or some sort of pad to make sure the headset sits comfortably.
And if you can, an intercom that allows you to isolate yourself from the passengers.
And if you can, an intercom that allows you to isolate yourself from the passengers.
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I routinely take my 2 and 3 year olds flying. A few things to consider (many of which have been discussed already):
- Don't just assume the carseat will buckle in. Airplane seatbelts tend to buckle towards the middle, while car seat belts buckle at the side. In the plane this results in the buckle being in the middle of the car seat, which just doesn't work. In my plane I tried a some of the shortening loops (often included with the car seat) to get the buckle to the side. They work ok, but still hard to get it tight. I sometimes double it up with a ratcheting cargo strap.
- Most youth headsets are the same as adult headsets, except with fun colors and maybe a shorter mic boom. For one flight the adult ones will be fine.
- Having an adult dedicated to the kid is a must. You need to concentrate on flying. Preferably that person would be seated next to the child. The most common issue I face is them removing the hearing protection, followed by bright sun/sunglasses.
- The pilot isolate switch on the audio panel is your friend. If you don't have one, be sure you can reach their mic jack in a hurry as they will inevitably start singing songs from Frozen at the top of their lungs right as ATC is issuing traffic instructions. Flipping the mic boom up doesn't work as they like to hear themselves through the headset and will quickly figure out how to pull it back down.
- Kids under 2 will fall asleep in 10 minutes. Kids over 2 will not. Typical car ride behaviors apply. If the child gets bored/thirsty/hungry after 5 minutes in the car, they will in the airplane as well.
- Asleep or not, I would keep the first flight short. There is nothing worse than being stuck in an airplane with a toddler that suddenly decides he doesn't want to be there.
- For the adults Jr's first airplane ride will be a special moment, complete with selfies, facebook posts, etc... For the kids, however, it is a slightly noisier car ride. I'm not saying don't do it, but realize it's for you, not for them. I'll admit that when my daughter started repeating all my radio calls "Twee ate charwie 'conto!" (Three eight Charlie is 5 miles from Oconto), it was the cutest thing ever.
Good luck with the flight. It will be hassle, but the story itself will be worth it.
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- Don't just assume the carseat will buckle in. Airplane seatbelts tend to buckle towards the middle, while car seat belts buckle at the side. In the plane this results in the buckle being in the middle of the car seat, which just doesn't work. In my plane I tried a some of the shortening loops (often included with the car seat) to get the buckle to the side. They work ok, but still hard to get it tight. I sometimes double it up with a ratcheting cargo strap.
- Most youth headsets are the same as adult headsets, except with fun colors and maybe a shorter mic boom. For one flight the adult ones will be fine.
- Having an adult dedicated to the kid is a must. You need to concentrate on flying. Preferably that person would be seated next to the child. The most common issue I face is them removing the hearing protection, followed by bright sun/sunglasses.
- The pilot isolate switch on the audio panel is your friend. If you don't have one, be sure you can reach their mic jack in a hurry as they will inevitably start singing songs from Frozen at the top of their lungs right as ATC is issuing traffic instructions. Flipping the mic boom up doesn't work as they like to hear themselves through the headset and will quickly figure out how to pull it back down.
- Kids under 2 will fall asleep in 10 minutes. Kids over 2 will not. Typical car ride behaviors apply. If the child gets bored/thirsty/hungry after 5 minutes in the car, they will in the airplane as well.
- Asleep or not, I would keep the first flight short. There is nothing worse than being stuck in an airplane with a toddler that suddenly decides he doesn't want to be there.
- For the adults Jr's first airplane ride will be a special moment, complete with selfies, facebook posts, etc... For the kids, however, it is a slightly noisier car ride. I'm not saying don't do it, but realize it's for you, not for them. I'll admit that when my daughter started repeating all my radio calls "Twee ate charwie 'conto!" (Three eight Charlie is 5 miles from Oconto), it was the cutest thing ever.
Good luck with the flight. It will be hassle, but the story itself will be worth it.
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