Renewal of PPL (A) SEP
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Renewal of PPL (A) SEP
Hi All
I’m hoping I can pick your collective brains for a little clarification.
If you are sitting comfortably, I shall begin…….
Due to work and a myriad of other excuses my rating is currently in the state of lapse. I’m now in a position where I would like to do something about this and this is my first foray into getting the ball rolling.
I gained my JAA PPL (A) with SEP land rating, and Night and IMC in June 2001. The last time I flew P1 was Oct 21st 2004.
So I believe my current status is….
SEP rating lapsed June 2005
Medical lapsed 2012 (did a renewal in 2007).
So what is the best course of action to try and renew my rating? After reading lots of older forum threads and other net articles am I correct in thinking it should go something like this?
1. Obtain an EASA Class 2 Medial (Revalidation)
2. Go to an ATO (as individual instructors are not allowed to sign off anymore) and the Head of Training will specify what remedial training he needs before a Licence Proficiency Check (LPC) with an examiner.
What about revalidation of the Flight Radiotelephony Operators Licence (FRTOL)? On the CAA website I have found this info…
“ A Stand alone UK FRTOL issued before 17 September 2012, had a ten year validity. When these licences expire, if you still need an FRTOL, you must reapply and pay the appropriate fee.
£72. or no fee If the FRTOL is applied for at the same time as another category of flight crew licence”
So will this just be re-issued, i.e. if I pass the LPC, the examiners endorsement will revalidate this, or do the CAA require theory or practical to be re-taken due to length of time?
And finally IMC and night, I understand that IMC can’t be added to the EASA PPL, only NPPL. But an IR(R) can. So is it possible to renew and convert a lapsed IMC to an IR(R).
If you made it this far, well done. And I look forward to your comments.
Thanks
I’m hoping I can pick your collective brains for a little clarification.
If you are sitting comfortably, I shall begin…….
Due to work and a myriad of other excuses my rating is currently in the state of lapse. I’m now in a position where I would like to do something about this and this is my first foray into getting the ball rolling.
I gained my JAA PPL (A) with SEP land rating, and Night and IMC in June 2001. The last time I flew P1 was Oct 21st 2004.
So I believe my current status is….
SEP rating lapsed June 2005
Medical lapsed 2012 (did a renewal in 2007).
So what is the best course of action to try and renew my rating? After reading lots of older forum threads and other net articles am I correct in thinking it should go something like this?
1. Obtain an EASA Class 2 Medial (Revalidation)
2. Go to an ATO (as individual instructors are not allowed to sign off anymore) and the Head of Training will specify what remedial training he needs before a Licence Proficiency Check (LPC) with an examiner.
What about revalidation of the Flight Radiotelephony Operators Licence (FRTOL)? On the CAA website I have found this info…
“ A Stand alone UK FRTOL issued before 17 September 2012, had a ten year validity. When these licences expire, if you still need an FRTOL, you must reapply and pay the appropriate fee.
£72. or no fee If the FRTOL is applied for at the same time as another category of flight crew licence”
So will this just be re-issued, i.e. if I pass the LPC, the examiners endorsement will revalidate this, or do the CAA require theory or practical to be re-taken due to length of time?
And finally IMC and night, I understand that IMC can’t be added to the EASA PPL, only NPPL. But an IR(R) can. So is it possible to renew and convert a lapsed IMC to an IR(R).
If you made it this far, well done. And I look forward to your comments.
Thanks
1. Obtain an EASA Class 2 Medial (Revalidation)
2. Go to an ATO (as individual instructors are not allowed to sign off anymore) and the Head of Training will specify what remedial training he needs before a Licence Proficiency Check (LPC) with an examiner.
2. Go to an ATO (as individual instructors are not allowed to sign off anymore) and the Head of Training will specify what remedial training he needs before a Licence Proficiency Check (LPC) with an examiner.
4. Then, as your JAA Licence expired in 2006, apply for a new EASA PPL based on your old JAA Licence, including SEP, FRTL, IR(R), and Night Rating.(Night Ratings do not expire)
“ A Stand alone UK FRTOL issued before 17 September 2012, had a ten year validity. When these licences expire, if you still need an FRTOL, you must reapply and pay the appropriate fee.
£72. or no fee If the FRTOL is applied for at the same time as another category of flight crew licence”
£72. or no fee If the FRTOL is applied for at the same time as another category of flight crew licence”
Just make sure that one of the Examiners who does the Flight Test, either for your SEP or IMC Renewal, signs the part of the form certifying you as fluent in English. (Level 6)
MJ
Ps. I see it's your first post here, so welcome to the world of PPRuNe!
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Unless you want to get VFR flying quickly, or want a break for budget reasons, Inwould renew both your SEP(L) class rating and IMC then send off all the paperwork together to the CAA, otherwise they will issue you a EASA PPL, with an IR(R) on the back as an expired rating, which you will then have to pay them again to move onto the front of your licence.
To renew your IMC as an IR(R), you will need to do sufficient training, then both the theory exam and flight test, as it has been expired over 10 years.
Whilst your night rating doesn't need any renewing, you would be sensible to undertake some refresher training.
Finally, there have been a LOT of changes in recent years, mostly due to the transition to EASA regulation, make sure your instructor brings you up to speed on these.
To renew your IMC as an IR(R), you will need to do sufficient training, then both the theory exam and flight test, as it has been expired over 10 years.
Whilst your night rating doesn't need any renewing, you would be sensible to undertake some refresher training.
Finally, there have been a LOT of changes in recent years, mostly due to the transition to EASA regulation, make sure your instructor brings you up to speed on these.
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I was in a similar situation last year, though not quite as comprehensively lapsed as you.
I see you are in Hampshire, so you could do what I did - go and see nice Uncle Bob at Western Air, Thruxton. Here I am, 12 months later with my IMC (IR(R))renewed and TWO licences in my nice blue plastic wallet.
They guided me towards the simplest, cheapest route through the CAA paperwork maze.
SD
(Unfortunately in January the CAA Medical Section started to 'audit' my AME's clients, and while they browse through my medical history they have endorsed my medical certificate with 'OSL'. And, no I haven't had any exciting medical events. And yes I am p
d off with this).
I see you are in Hampshire, so you could do what I did - go and see nice Uncle Bob at Western Air, Thruxton. Here I am, 12 months later with my IMC (IR(R))renewed and TWO licences in my nice blue plastic wallet.
They guided me towards the simplest, cheapest route through the CAA paperwork maze.
SD
(Unfortunately in January the CAA Medical Section started to 'audit' my AME's clients, and while they browse through my medical history they have endorsed my medical certificate with 'OSL'. And, no I haven't had any exciting medical events. And yes I am p
d off with this).
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Hi All
Thanks for the replies, that has clarified a few things and narrowed down my options.
One other potential I have thought of is would it be worth combining the renewal/de-rusting process with tail wheel differences training? Or would this just be muddying the waters and making my journey back too complicated?
Thanks
Thanks for the replies, that has clarified a few things and narrowed down my options.
One other potential I have thought of is would it be worth combining the renewal/de-rusting process with tail wheel differences training? Or would this just be muddying the waters and making my journey back too complicated?
Thanks
