Rubbish radio calls.
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Totally agree. Brevity seems to have gone out of the window, as does common sense.
The last thing anyone needs when joining an extremely busy circuit is to have the radio blocked by some lengthy discourse from an aircraft passing 10 miles abeam- all too common now.
The last thing anyone needs when joining an extremely busy circuit is to have the radio blocked by some lengthy discourse from an aircraft passing 10 miles abeam- all too common now.
People constantly stepping on eachother/talking utter nonsense. I appreciate some of these must be students but their instructors need to nip that in the bud. If they're at the point where they are navigating then they've probably got about 20 hours or so at least. Enough to know not to step on people. Or maybe I'm being too hard I don't know.
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Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR
BEagle Well said, sir. I have heard the inches/millibars (in my day) confusion with American crews many times.
There would be no confusion if everybody used inches....
hat, coat, door.....
Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR
BEagle Well said, sir. I have heard the inches/millibars (in my day) confusion with American crews many times.
There would be no confusion if everybody used inches....
hat, coat, door.....
confusion can and is a killer
"Cambridge confirm altimeter 29.92 inches."
"Negative, it is 992 mb."
In an industry where confusion can and is a killer of vast numbers of people, I am utterly boggle smoggled that there are so many variables. We have, litres, US gallons, Imp gallons, pounds, kilogrammes, knots, miles, kilometres, feet, metres, millibars/hectothingies, inches hg, and we wonder why things go wrong now and again.
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Glider pilots manage both extremes in the use of radio.
Our club managed 78 aerotows (224 movements) and 87 winch launches (174 movements) last saturday all controlled by one chap on the ground with a handheld radio.
However if you listen on 130.4 on a good soaring day ?!?
Our club managed 78 aerotows (224 movements) and 87 winch launches (174 movements) last saturday all controlled by one chap on the ground with a handheld radio.
However if you listen on 130.4 on a good soaring day ?!?
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Originally Posted by cumulusrider
Our club managed 78 aerotows (224 movements)
That about sums it up - I'll comment on poor RT by stating that I refuse to use the correct terminology.
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Like it.. My pet hate is continuous use by atco's of the word, Hectopascal, it is unnecessary and ridiculous. I refuse to say it, Niner Niner six is all anyone will get from me
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- if only more countries would come into line with the UK..........
you shoud switch to decimals and metrics..coeexistence of all these different gallons and miles is clear example how it doesn't work.
Braincells needed for remembering 1 inch is 12 foods which is 36 yards and one mile is 1760 yards or whatever can be used for something much more useful
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As an example of how different units can confuse, anyone remember the "Gimli glider" Canadian Flight 143?
As for the repeated word "Hectopascals" by some ATSU's I would also appreciate the current viscosity in Pascal seconds if available just to confirm the density and drag around the ATZ
As for the repeated word "Hectopascals" by some ATSU's I would also appreciate the current viscosity in Pascal seconds if available just to confirm the density and drag around the ATZ
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coeexistence of all these different gallons and miles is clear example how it doesn't work.
Braincells needed for remembering 1 inch is 12 foods which is 36 yards and one mile is 1760 yards or whatever can be used for something much more useful
Braincells needed for remembering 1 inch is 12 foods which is 36 yards and one mile is 1760 yards or whatever can be used for something much more useful
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Originally Posted by cumulusrider
Aerotow:-
glider and tug taking off together = 1 movement
Tug landing = 1 movement
glider landing = 1 movement
glider and tug taking off together = 1 movement
Tug landing = 1 movement
glider landing = 1 movement
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Ah, so the glider actually gets back then...
I suppose you would call that a movement 
What goes up has to come down Pace
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The language of aviation RT is English.
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so what? this doesn't imply units must be from UK.
or US? consumtion numbers in plane I fly are in US gallons because it is US plane. I am glad I didn't need to refuel it in UK using UK gallons....
see the point? it is pretty cool we are using same language, so it makes a sense to use same units too. (and metrics system conversion is multiply or divide by 10, 7years old can do it with no brain usage, you can't say this for miles and feets...)
The language of aviation RT is English.
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so what?
this doesn't imply units must be from UK.or US? consumtion numbers in plane I fly are in US gallons because it is US plane. I am glad I didn't need to refuel it in UK using UK gallons....
see the point? it is pretty cool we are using same language, so it makes a sense to use same units too. (and metrics system conversion is multiply or divide by 10, 7years old can do it with no brain usage, you can't say this for miles and feets...)
What for is the first Niner good? Niner Six does it all.
In the US, Altimeter 29.96 inches was abbreviated to 996. Works fine - so long as we all use inches. Guy comes to Europe and hears 996 - must be 29.96 - obvious innit?
Another gotcha: "Climb to 2000 feet . . "
Yes, of course it would be expressed as FL220 (even in the US with the TA at 18000) but that's why ATC SHOULD say "Climb 2000 feet . . "
Yes, of course it would be expressed as FL220 (even in the US with the TA at 18000) but that's why ATC SHOULD say "Climb 2000 feet . . "