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Like many here I gave a small amount believing it was to a good cause but the price of a meal for two was not the damaging aspect of Krellin
It was the way the thread was used as a witch hunt against honest, long standing pprune members who had their names dragged through the mud and the problem with mud is that it sticks and at best stains
You tried to defend yourself and delete delete delete as the powers that be protected every word said by Krellin in the name of their crusade cause and internet hits.
I appreciate that PPRUNE was taken in by this man but the Kangaroo Courts allowed and held within the forum was disgusting and yet no sign of an apology from PPRUNE as to what happened and may I add was ALLOWED and CONDONED to happen by pprune who are also guilty of allowing disgusting behaviour in the forum which broke every rule of their own code of conduct.
So who was found Guilty? I am afraid in my eyes and many here not just Krellin and still no signs of a comment or apology and maybe that would be appreciated by many?
Like many here I gave a small amount believing it was to a good cause but the price of a meal for two was not the damaging aspect of Krellin
It was the way the thread was used as a witch hunt against honest, long standing pprune members who had their names dragged through the mud and the problem with mud is that it sticks and at best stains
You tried to defend yourself and delete delete delete as the powers that be protected every word said by Krellin in the name of their crusade cause and internet hits.
I appreciate that PPRUNE was taken in by this man but the Kangaroo Courts allowed and held within the forum was disgusting and yet no sign of an apology from PPRUNE as to what happened and may I add was ALLOWED and CONDONED to happen by pprune who are also guilty of allowing disgusting behaviour in the forum which broke every rule of their own code of conduct.
So who was found Guilty? I am afraid in my eyes and many here not just Krellin and still no signs of a comment or apology and maybe that would be appreciated by many?
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Affirmative.
Probably due to a significant military history of myself and my family, but I have a strong sense of honour and its importance. That has been lacking, and the continued failure to even admit fault, let alone any form of apology to the many people affected by this, is yet more dishonourable in my eyes.
But let's be precise, "PPrune" includes all of us as a community - the bulk of whom are innocent of anything worthy of criticism. We are talking about a small number of people with personal power over this board here, not the whole community.
When I have screwed up at work, and I have, it was me - not the organisation that did so. And I, not the organisation, have apologised...
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Probably due to a significant military history of myself and my family, but I have a strong sense of honour and its importance. That has been lacking, and the continued failure to even admit fault, let alone any form of apology to the many people affected by this, is yet more dishonourable in my eyes.
But let's be precise, "PPrune" includes all of us as a community - the bulk of whom are innocent of anything worthy of criticism. We are talking about a small number of people with personal power over this board here, not the whole community.
When I have screwed up at work, and I have, it was me - not the organisation that did so. And I, not the organisation, have apologised...
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I do not want to make it personal but the select few as you put it still represent PPRUNE so ultimately it is PPRUNE who should apologise to those people unfairly mistreated within their business/company here as ultimately they are responsible for the conduct of their moderators and people officially representing them as well as what is allowed to be published in THEIR FORUM
Revealing personal information for public scrutiny and unjust and false information published here about those people which as I said did not meet the standards of their own code of conduct was a libellous action had anyone wanted to follow it through.
A public apology is the minimum that should be offered
I do not want to make it personal but the select few as you put it still represent PPRUNE so ultimately it is PPRUNE who should apologise to those people unfairly mistreated within their business/company here as ultimately they are responsible for the conduct of their moderators and people officially representing them as well as what is allowed to be published in THEIR FORUM
Revealing personal information for public scrutiny and unjust and false information published here about those people which as I said did not meet the standards of their own code of conduct was a libellous action had anyone wanted to follow it through.
A public apology is the minimum that should be offered
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I left PPRuNe in disgust when I read the goings-on at the time and how GtE had been treated. I felt my small decision was correct at the time and nothing I read here now leads me to think I was wrong.
An open letter of explanation/apology from IB management, perhaps by way of a sticky at the top of Private Flying, should be the least that could be done
An open letter of explanation/apology from IB management, perhaps by way of a sticky at the top of Private Flying, should be the least that could be done
An open letter of explanation/apology from IB management
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I for one was pretty surprised to hear how he has ended up and was taken in by what he said.
Unfortunatly, PP is about hits and selling advertising space and not what's right and what's wrong. You'll be waiting a long time for an apology from anyone.
More likely messages will be posted about how PP owes us nothing..... If we don't like it go elsewhere...... You don't pay anything so you don't have a right to complain......... Or a combination of them all.
Unfortunatly, PP is about hits and selling advertising space and not what's right and what's wrong. You'll be waiting a long time for an apology from anyone.
More likely messages will be posted about how PP owes us nothing..... If we don't like it go elsewhere...... You don't pay anything so you don't have a right to complain......... Or a combination of them all.
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Dream on.
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It seem to me that you have two realistic options:
(a) be satisfied that an odious conman who, unlike many, you didn't entirely trust is now in prison and continue posting here despite what happened;
(b) be satisfied that an odious conman who, unlike many, you didn't entirely trust is now in prison and never post on PPRuNe again because of what happened.
Precisely.
Bearing that in mind, the sooner you make your decision the better it will be for the community because if you stay and keep expressing your discontent there is a real risk that it will cause division which is clearly not in the interests of our community.
a libellous action had anyone wanted to follow it through.
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It seem to me that you have two realistic options:
(a) be satisfied that an odious conman who, unlike many, you didn't entirely trust is now in prison and continue posting here despite what happened;
(b) be satisfied that an odious conman who, unlike many, you didn't entirely trust is now in prison and never post on PPRuNe again because of what happened.
But let's be precise, "PPrune" includes all of us as a community - the bulk of whom are innocent of anything worthy of criticism.
Bearing that in mind, the sooner you make your decision the better it will be for the community because if you stay and keep expressing your discontent there is a real risk that it will cause division which is clearly not in the interests of our community.
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That thread attracted so many hits! its surprising how time makes people forget and loose interest.
I take your point on following through a libel action but it was not pleasant what went on at the time and certainly lost respect for pprune and its code of conduct which was a complete joke back then.
I also appreciate no one is going to admit guilt in public by apologising! but a simple statement like " We Like many of our readers were taken in by a conman and regret any hurt to some of our forum members by such an association".
Would have shown something but zero
That thread attracted so many hits! its surprising how time makes people forget and loose interest.
I take your point on following through a libel action but it was not pleasant what went on at the time and certainly lost respect for pprune and its code of conduct which was a complete joke back then.
I also appreciate no one is going to admit guilt in public by apologising! but a simple statement like " We Like many of our readers were taken in by a conman and regret any hurt to some of our forum members by such an association".
Would have shown something but zero
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An interesting viewpoint FL. I remain here because I value my communication with other people who are here, hence my option is (a).
But frankly, it's not *my* discontent such as it is that causes any divisions, it is the silence from those very few people who behaved poorly, and have it well within their power to admit that. That failure is obvious to everybody whether *I* stay or go.
I count half a dozen people here who have expressed similar sentiments - I think I've met two of them, and haven't discussed this in over six months with any of them beyond what you see in this thread. This isn't me - I'm *just* the person whose inconveniencing was the most publically visible, and so people mention me.
The lack of an admission of fault won't destroy PPrune, nor will my staying here. But, some constructive communication might heal a few wounds, however that's done. Defending the failure to communicate does nobody any favours I'm afraid.
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But frankly, it's not *my* discontent such as it is that causes any divisions, it is the silence from those very few people who behaved poorly, and have it well within their power to admit that. That failure is obvious to everybody whether *I* stay or go.
I count half a dozen people here who have expressed similar sentiments - I think I've met two of them, and haven't discussed this in over six months with any of them beyond what you see in this thread. This isn't me - I'm *just* the person whose inconveniencing was the most publically visible, and so people mention me.
The lack of an admission of fault won't destroy PPrune, nor will my staying here. But, some constructive communication might heal a few wounds, however that's done. Defending the failure to communicate does nobody any favours I'm afraid.
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The other point which has been completely missed is the fact that so many forum members were taken in by Kevin Crellin as if he was a very clever conman.
Yes he was but into that equation and the reason that many gave money was that he was so accepted and highly regarded by PPRUNE.
That fact alone would be enough for many forum members to trust who he was as they trusted PPRUNE and the high level of support and admiration he had from the management.
He posted here as if he was indeed part of the management oh well many eggs on faces
Yes he was but into that equation and the reason that many gave money was that he was so accepted and highly regarded by PPRUNE.
That fact alone would be enough for many forum members to trust who he was as they trusted PPRUNE and the high level of support and admiration he had from the management.
He posted here as if he was indeed part of the management oh well many eggs on faces
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While I think Flying Lawyer's "Dream on" was an appropriate response to the suggestion of libel, is it not possible given what a number of people have now stated, that a breach of UK data protection law may have occurred?
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Whilst I think that GTEs treatment was reprehensible, I think I he has in danger of starting his own witch hunt and become the thing he hated in the first place by trying to stir up a storm of support for his desired apology.
At the end of the day mate, you were wronged, you turned out to be right. Suck up the moral victory and let it lie. I am not the only one who has no interest in following your crusade for personal justice. The justice required has been served, pride yourself on the fact you were part of it. Your vendetta for personal justice will just mar this.
At the end of the day mate, you were wronged, you turned out to be right. Suck up the moral victory and let it lie. I am not the only one who has no interest in following your crusade for personal justice. The justice required has been served, pride yourself on the fact you were part of it. Your vendetta for personal justice will just mar this.
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No vendetta, no need for personal justice. An opinion was expressed, some agree, some disagree, talking about aviation is more interesting anyhow.
Of course I would appreciate an apology, as would several other people, but I'm not going to pursue anybody for it.
I went flying today - that is, just to remind myself and everybody else, why we're here. I'm going flying tomorrow too. Hopefully see some of you at the fly-in on Sunday.
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Of course I would appreciate an apology, as would several other people, but I'm not going to pursue anybody for it.
I went flying today - that is, just to remind myself and everybody else, why we're here. I'm going flying tomorrow too. Hopefully see some of you at the fly-in on Sunday.
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Genghis,
I don't know what was said, or what you wanted to be said, but you did assure us that you received your apology from management last year.
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...ml#post7869094
I don't know what was said, or what you wanted to be said, but you did assure us that you received your apology from management last year.
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...ml#post7869094
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Let's not make this about me - I didn't intend that to be the case, and I apologise if I have inadvertently made it so.
I received an apology from the company, Internet Brands - specifically as I eventually discovered, one chap on his last day before he left: I appreciated that. At the time I made that post I was mostly relieved that anything had changed. From the mod(s) who took direct action against me and was protecting and promoting the behaviours of KC, nothing - but realistically, I now expect nothing.
Leave it, please. The bad man's locked up, the rest of us have the pleasure of knowing that.
Let's talk about flying !
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I received an apology from the company, Internet Brands - specifically as I eventually discovered, one chap on his last day before he left: I appreciated that. At the time I made that post I was mostly relieved that anything had changed. From the mod(s) who took direct action against me and was protecting and promoting the behaviours of KC, nothing - but realistically, I now expect nothing.
Leave it, please. The bad man's locked up, the rest of us have the pleasure of knowing that.
Let's talk about flying !
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