PPL SEP - 12 hours of flight time - need clarification

[Level Attitude]

But you do not actually have a valid Medical until you have been given the signed piece of paper.

.....and have signed it yourself.

True enough but my AME won't actually give me (he won't let go of) the piece of paper until I have signed it.

[Neilix]

Thanks to all for taking the time to respond.

In answer to your question BEagle, yes, I'm admitting that I haven't had a valid SEP Class Rating in my licence since June 2014...then again, neither have I flown since then. The reference I made regarding my IR(A) renewal in September 2013 was only to illustrate that I had met the criteria of having completed >1hr with an instructor in the preceeding 12 months prior to expiry.



Whilst a number of responses have said that the revalidation (by experience) endorsement must be made prior to expiry, I can't find anything on the CAA website that states that. Neither can I find any reference to it in an old version of LASORS. Can anybody point me to a relevant clause in anything official?

Cheers.

[Mach Jump]

Whilst a number of responses have said that the revalidation (by experience) endorsement must be made prior to expiry, I can't find anything on the CAA website that states that. Neither can I find any reference to it in an old version of LASORS. Can anybody point me to a relevant clause in anything official?

Although I cannot find the specific wording you seek, the following quote from Part.FCL makes it clear that, once expired, Class and Type Ratings cannot be 'Revalidated' but must be 'Renewed'.

FCL.740 Validity and renewal of class and type ratings

(a) The period of validity of class and type ratings shall be 1 year, except for singlepilot single-engine class ratings, for which the period of validity shall be 2 years, unless otherwise determined by the operational suitability data, established in accordance with Part-21

(b) Renewal. If a class or type rating has expired, the applicant shall:

(1) take refresher training at an ATO, when necessary to reach the level of
proficiency necessary to safely operate the relevant class or type of
aeroplane; and

(2) pass a proficiency check in accordance with Appendix 9 to Part-FCL.

MJ

[BillieBob]

I can't find anything on the CAA website that states that.

That is not surprising since the CAA is no longer a rulemaking body (much as they might like to think otherwise). It might be better to consult the EU Regulation, as MJ has done.

[Level Attitude]

Neither can I find any reference to it in an old version of LASORS. Can anybody point me to a relevant clause in anything official?

LASORS is well out of date, it is superceded by CAP804 which itself quotes from Part-FCL in respect of EASA Licensing:

Part-FCL Page 9
FCL.010 Definitions

‘Renewal’ (of, e.g. a rating or certificate) means the administrative action taken after a rating or certificate has lapsed for the purpose of renewing the privileges of the rating or certificate for a further specified period consequent upon the fulfilment of specified requirements.

‘Revalidation’ (of, e.g. a rating or certificate) means the administrative action taken within the period of validity of a rating or certificate which allows the holder to continue to exercise the privileges of a rating or certificate for a further specified period consequent upon the fulfilment of specified requirements.

Many people use the terms "Renewal' and 'Revalidation' interchangeably - this is wrong as they have specific, different meanings.

the revalidation (by experience) endorsement must be made prior to expiry

Although we know what you mean, this sentence is wrong.

It should be: "Revalidation (of a Rating) must be made prior to expiry"
- Doesn't matter how the requirements were met
- A revalidation is not 'endorsed'. It is the (administrative) action of an Examiner a) Filling out the line in your Ratings' section, b) Completing the required form and c) Sending the form to the CAA that is the Revalidation.

NB: I know MJ used the term "endorsed" first, and most pilots don't care about the forms as Examiners usually take care of these (as they are required to do).

[Neilix]

Thanks again to all, for your informative comments.


Neil