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Wot's the runway length?
Wikipedia indicates 1,877 meters of tarmac on 24/06. Anyone know how much is useable on Saturday? Just wanted to check its not a 400m patch only 
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Unless otherwise published I will join overhead at 1500 calling intentions on the Unicom channel then descend dead side as per standard procedure.
Going to assume circuit height will be 1000 QFE.
Going to assume circuit height will be 1000 QFE.
Click here for the CAA Overhead Join Poster
Did you mean Safetycom? This is from CAP413.
Radiotelephony Reports at Unattended Aerodromes
Introduction
4.150 Where an aeronautical communications frequency is allocated for
use at a United Kingdom aerodrome, all RTF communications are to
be conducted on the allocated frequency. For licensed aerodromes,
allocated frequencies are promulgated in the UK AIP. A common
frequency (135.475 MHz) known as ‘SAFETYCOM’ is made available for
use at aerodromes where no other frequency is allocated (UK AIP GEN
3.4 refers) to enable pilots to broadcast their intentions to other aircraft
that may be operating on, or in the vicinity of, the aerodrome.
4.151 At some UK aerodromes, air traffic movements may occur outside
the promulgated hours of watch of Air Traffic Services (ATS). In order
to improve the safety of these aerodrome operations, pilots should
broadcast information on their intentions to other aircraft that may be
operating on, or in the vicinity, of the aerodrome.
4.152 The phraseology to be used at an unattended aerodrome, as described
in this section, is not to be used at aerodromes with ATS in attendance.
Where ATS is provided, the relevant ATS unit will issue appropriate
instructions.
4.153 All transmissions at unattended aerodromes shall be addressed to
‘(Aerodrome name) Traffic’. No reply to an unattended aerodrome report
shall be transmitted.
4.154 Pilot reports are described for a Standard Overhead Join. This procedure will allow pilots to determine the runway in use and to orientate
themselves with the circuit direction and other traffic. As specific joining and circuit procedures exist for some aerodromes, pilots should refer to
the UK AIP to establish the procedure to be followed.
4.155 Unattended aerodrome reports are made at the discretion of the pilot.
However, to ensure the traffic awareness of other pilots is correctly
maintained, if a pilot elects to make reports, all those reports not listed
as ‘optional’ should be included. Optional calls may be included if
additional traffic information is likely to assist traffic organisation or to
enhance safety.
4.156 Monitoring of unattended aerodrome reports is not a substitute for
visual observation and pilots must maintain traffic awareness and
lookout even when making such calls, as not all aircraft may be
monitoring radio broadcasts.
4.157 Transmission of unattended aerodrome reports does not confer any
right-of-way.
4.158 Pilots shall comply at all times with the Rules of the Air Regulations, in
particular the rules for avoiding aerial collisions.
Additional Procedures for the Use of SAFETYCOM
4.159 SAFETYCOM is not an Air Traffic Service and no aeronautical ground
station is associated with SAFETYCOM.
4.160 SAFETYCOM is a single common frequency and pilots should be aware
of the possibility of congestion and breakthrough. It is particularly
important when using SAFETYCOM that RTF transmissions identify the
aerodrome name (suffixed ‘traffic’) in order to indicate the relevance of
the report to other aircraft. Transmissions must be correct and concise.
4.161 SAFETYCOM transmissions shall only be made when aircraft are not
more than 2000 ft above aerodrome level, or not more than 1000 ft
above promulgated circuit height (if applicable) and within 10 NM of the
aerodrome of intended landing.
4.162 Where an aerodrome lies within controlled airspace, pilots are to call
the appropriate ATSU and ensure that they obtain clearance to enter the
airspace.
Introduction
4.150 Where an aeronautical communications frequency is allocated for
use at a United Kingdom aerodrome, all RTF communications are to
be conducted on the allocated frequency. For licensed aerodromes,
allocated frequencies are promulgated in the UK AIP. A common
frequency (135.475 MHz) known as ‘SAFETYCOM’ is made available for
use at aerodromes where no other frequency is allocated (UK AIP GEN
3.4 refers) to enable pilots to broadcast their intentions to other aircraft
that may be operating on, or in the vicinity of, the aerodrome.
4.151 At some UK aerodromes, air traffic movements may occur outside
the promulgated hours of watch of Air Traffic Services (ATS). In order
to improve the safety of these aerodrome operations, pilots should
broadcast information on their intentions to other aircraft that may be
operating on, or in the vicinity, of the aerodrome.
4.152 The phraseology to be used at an unattended aerodrome, as described
in this section, is not to be used at aerodromes with ATS in attendance.
Where ATS is provided, the relevant ATS unit will issue appropriate
instructions.
4.153 All transmissions at unattended aerodromes shall be addressed to
‘(Aerodrome name) Traffic’. No reply to an unattended aerodrome report
shall be transmitted.
4.154 Pilot reports are described for a Standard Overhead Join. This procedure will allow pilots to determine the runway in use and to orientate
themselves with the circuit direction and other traffic. As specific joining and circuit procedures exist for some aerodromes, pilots should refer to
the UK AIP to establish the procedure to be followed.
4.155 Unattended aerodrome reports are made at the discretion of the pilot.
However, to ensure the traffic awareness of other pilots is correctly
maintained, if a pilot elects to make reports, all those reports not listed
as ‘optional’ should be included. Optional calls may be included if
additional traffic information is likely to assist traffic organisation or to
enhance safety.
4.156 Monitoring of unattended aerodrome reports is not a substitute for
visual observation and pilots must maintain traffic awareness and
lookout even when making such calls, as not all aircraft may be
monitoring radio broadcasts.
4.157 Transmission of unattended aerodrome reports does not confer any
right-of-way.
4.158 Pilots shall comply at all times with the Rules of the Air Regulations, in
particular the rules for avoiding aerial collisions.
Additional Procedures for the Use of SAFETYCOM
4.159 SAFETYCOM is not an Air Traffic Service and no aeronautical ground
station is associated with SAFETYCOM.
4.160 SAFETYCOM is a single common frequency and pilots should be aware
of the possibility of congestion and breakthrough. It is particularly
important when using SAFETYCOM that RTF transmissions identify the
aerodrome name (suffixed ‘traffic’) in order to indicate the relevance of
the report to other aircraft. Transmissions must be correct and concise.
4.161 SAFETYCOM transmissions shall only be made when aircraft are not
more than 2000 ft above aerodrome level, or not more than 1000 ft
above promulgated circuit height (if applicable) and within 10 NM of the
aerodrome of intended landing.
4.162 Where an aerodrome lies within controlled airspace, pilots are to call
the appropriate ATSU and ensure that they obtain clearance to enter the
airspace.
why not 2,000 feet for your OHJ?
Yes meant Safteycom.
Sorry.
Nice people to pick up on this but no one else seemed to answer the questions.
1500 would have been the preferred height as not so much to burn off descending dead side.
Remains to be seen on the day what others do, as even when published information available for airfields, others seem to ignore them & do their own thing.
However as my mistakes have been pointed out, i will be doing as corrected above.
Thanks.
see you there.
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I am 100% sure it will be an overhead join at 1500 ft and normal info given on call up. we have marshellers on the ground to park all visitors
Hope for a fantastic turn out and good weather
Hope for a fantastic turn out and good weather
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I wasn't having a go at you, 7of9, I just wanted to clarify the details, as it is important that everyone is doing the same thing, or at least letting the rest of the people know what's happening.
Let's hope that Sherburn are listening out as well.
Let's hope that Sherburn are listening out as well.
I wasn't having a go at you, 7of9, I just wanted to clarify the details, as it is important that everyone is doing the same thing, or at least letting the rest of the people know what's happening.
Let's hope that Sherburn are listening out as well.
Let's hope that Sherburn are listening out as well.
I would rather someone corrected Me, than myself do something other than the published rules.
I posted before checking again, as its a long time since i had to use the CAA rules, as airfields i visit are usually in the Pooleys. Also seem to have their joining heights as 1500 feet, so was just going on what i thought was the "norm"
Next time i venture into unpublished territory i will take the time to check the CAA Guidelines.
Thanks.
see you there.
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I'll be there about 1100 in G-BXJD P28A. Coming from Breighton, I'll just be joining live side for whatevers in use. If the radio is packed then i'll be on the SOJ, now that i'm getting more and more concerned about how busy its going to be and the kind of traffic that will be flying in!
See you guys there.
See you guys there.
Mind you, someone is bound to fly in from Sherburn.
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Brilliant - such memories...!
Sounds fantastic.
it'll be just like the 70's when the place was (literally) buzzing with light aircraft. I remember a question in 'Air Clues' in about 1971. IIRC it was something like:
Q. 'What is brown and green, in Yorkshire, and dangerous?.
A. RAF Church Fenton, as it has 50 Chipmunks, many airborne at the same time and flown by student pilots.'
Not sure that the 50 is correct but there certainly were lots!
I hope that some kind aviator will post photos after the event!
DS
it'll be just like the 70's when the place was (literally) buzzing with light aircraft. I remember a question in 'Air Clues' in about 1971. IIRC it was something like:Q. 'What is brown and green, in Yorkshire, and dangerous?.
A. RAF Church Fenton, as it has 50 Chipmunks, many airborne at the same time and flown by student pilots.'
Not sure that the 50 is correct but there certainly were lots!
I hope that some kind aviator will post photos after the event!
DS
Sorry guys, but a slight thread drift:
No reply? Really? What are they thinking?
It is very common in Canada for another aircraft in the circuit or on the ground to reply to a "Traffic" call with information. Very useful and much safer.
Good luck with the fly-in.
4.153 All transmissions at unattended aerodromes shall be addressed to
‘(Aerodrome name) Traffic’. No reply to an unattended aerodrome report
shall be transmitted.
‘(Aerodrome name) Traffic’. No reply to an unattended aerodrome report
shall be transmitted.
It is very common in Canada for another aircraft in the circuit or on the ground to reply to a "Traffic" call with information. Very useful and much safer.
Good luck with the fly-in.
It is very common in Canada for another aircraft in the circuit or on the ground to reply to a "Traffic" call with information. Very useful and much safer.
Here too. Nothing more frustrating than another pilot not giving you a radio check because of 'Rules'.
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Fly-in NOTAM
A new NOTAM has appeared on Skydemon. It details that i must fly to Selby first if coming from Breighton. I assume its purpose is to put aircraft away from the Sherburn ATZ while routing inbound but instead, completely defeats the object!
It does however list a contact number so if anybody needs to contact the organisers its there.
It does however list a contact number so if anybody needs to contact the organisers its there.
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Might all come to nothing as the weather looks pants. Hope the forecast changes!
Good afternoon all,
The forecast for Saturday is no good! It is, however, "meant" to be much better on Sunday the 4th January. Therefore, it has been decided to delay the fly-in by one day for the benefit of all.
All details and timings remain as for the 3rd. The two NOTAMS for the fly-in and the short display at 13.00hrs will be resubmitted for the 4th.
For planning please note the extract from the current NOTAM:
ACFT FLY-IN WI 5NM RADIUS OF PSN 535004N 0011143W (CHURCH FENTON
>> DISUSED AD) AIRCRAFT ARE TO REMAIN CLEAR OF SHERBURN (EGCJ) ATZ AND ROUTE TO CHURCH FENTON VIA ONE OF THE FOLLOWING VISUAL REFERENCE POINTS: WETHERBY RACE COURSE (53 56 00N 001 22 12W); GARFORTH MOTORWAY INTERCHANGE (53 48 36N 001 20 48W); SELBY(53 47 12N 001 03 48W) CTC 07450 461045 FOR INFO.
>> F) SFC G) 3000FT AMSL)
Please pass on these details to any interested parties. Should anyone require further information please email or call07450461045. Thank you very much
All the very best for the New Year
Mark Terry
Church Fenton Airfield Manager
The forecast for Saturday is no good! It is, however, "meant" to be much better on Sunday the 4th January. Therefore, it has been decided to delay the fly-in by one day for the benefit of all.
All details and timings remain as for the 3rd. The two NOTAMS for the fly-in and the short display at 13.00hrs will be resubmitted for the 4th.
For planning please note the extract from the current NOTAM:
ACFT FLY-IN WI 5NM RADIUS OF PSN 535004N 0011143W (CHURCH FENTON
>> DISUSED AD) AIRCRAFT ARE TO REMAIN CLEAR OF SHERBURN (EGCJ) ATZ AND ROUTE TO CHURCH FENTON VIA ONE OF THE FOLLOWING VISUAL REFERENCE POINTS: WETHERBY RACE COURSE (53 56 00N 001 22 12W); GARFORTH MOTORWAY INTERCHANGE (53 48 36N 001 20 48W); SELBY(53 47 12N 001 03 48W) CTC 07450 461045 FOR INFO.
>> F) SFC G) 3000FT AMSL)
Please pass on these details to any interested parties. Should anyone require further information please email or call07450461045. Thank you very much
All the very best for the New Year
Mark Terry
Church Fenton Airfield Manager