Bi annual Revalidation Flight Expired
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Bi annual Revalidation Flight Expired
Hi, Can anyone shed any light on what I need to do to stay legal / fly again as PIC - I have stupidly allowed my Bi-annual revalidation flight to expire.... (an unfortunate combination of my busy lifestyle, lack of instructor availability and poor weather has led to me not being airborne for nearly 5 weeks). Do I need to undertake a full skills test again ? or can I just have my hours training with an instructor on my next flight to revalidate ? Thanks Andy Smith
Hi Andy. Welcome to Pprune.
If your Licence is a PPL, has your SEP Class Rating actually expired? If it has:-
What you need to do now, is visit your local ATO/RTF (Flying School) and ask the Head of Training(HoT) there to asses what, if any, training you need to do to be recommended for the Renewal Flight Test with an Examiner.
When you have completed the training, if any, the HoT will sign you a Course Completion Certificate, allowing you to take the Test.
The Test itself is much the same as the one you took to get your Licence in the first place. The only difference is that the Nav. section will be shorter.
After a sucessful Test, The Examiner will sign up your Licence for another 2 year period.
MJ
If your Licence is a PPL, has your SEP Class Rating actually expired? If it has:-
What you need to do now, is visit your local ATO/RTF (Flying School) and ask the Head of Training(HoT) there to asses what, if any, training you need to do to be recommended for the Renewal Flight Test with an Examiner.
When you have completed the training, if any, the HoT will sign you a Course Completion Certificate, allowing you to take the Test.
The Test itself is much the same as the one you took to get your Licence in the first place. The only difference is that the Nav. section will be shorter.
After a sucessful Test, The Examiner will sign up your Licence for another 2 year period.
MJ
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Thanks for the reply....
No my SEP is still well in date.... and I am logging approx 50 hrs / year and have done for the last 6 years.... it is just the bi-annual hour training with an Instructor which has dropped just the wrong side of the 2 yearly deadline - by a week..... common sense would be just to make sure I fly my next hour as a training / revalidation flight.... but common sense & Aviation Rules are not always one and the same.... hope this carifies my situation 
Ah, Ok. 
There is no deadline for the training flight, except that it must be within the 12 months preceding the expiry date of your SEP Class Rating, so you are still legal.
Just do your hour's training with an Instructor and get your Licence signed by an Examiner before your SEP runs out.
MJ
There is no deadline for the training flight, except that it must be within the 12 months preceding the expiry date of your SEP Class Rating, so you are still legal.
Just do your hour's training with an Instructor and get your Licence signed by an Examiner before your SEP runs out.
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No my SEP is still well in date.... and I am logging approx 50 hrs / year and have done for the last 6 years.... it is just the bi-annual hour training with an Instructor which has dropped just the wrong side of the 2 yearly deadline - by a week
The SEP class rating lasts for two years. I think you are confused and confusing the readers on what had actually expired and hence some of the advice above may not be correct.
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That makes no sense to me. The only deadline for the training Flight is that it must be done before the SEP rating expires.
An SEP is valid for two years but to revalidate it 'by Experience' the experience must all have been gained during the second year of the two year SEP validity period.
From what he has posted, Andrew2487 did not allow his "Bi-annual revalidation flight to expire" as it was never 'valid' for Revalidation purposes as it took place the 'wrong side of a deadline'.
NB: Not sure what he meant by a "2 yearly deadline".
Andrew,
Unsure what other qualifications you hold but note that a successful Flight Test (of any length, for any Rating) can replace the one hour Dual requirement for SEP revalidation by experience. Have you passed any Flight Tests within the second year of validity of your SEP?
and just to get things spot on the term is biennial.
'A training flight of at least one hour with a Flight Instructor.'
This must be completed, as LA says, in the second of the 2 year validity of the SEP Class Rating, and may be divided into no more than 3 separate flights, so long as they are with the same Instructor.
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Do you have an FAA licence or a CAA issued licence?
Due to his location I, and (I believe) MJ, are assuming Andrew2487's question relates to a UK issued PPL.
My answers are based on that assumption.
MrAverage asks a most sensible question.
Due to his location I, and (I believe) MJ, are assuming Andrew2487's question relates to a UK issued PPL.
MJ
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From what he has posted, Andrew2487 did not allow his "Bi-annual revalidation flight to expire" as it was never 'valid' for Revalidation purposes as it took place the 'wrong side of a deadline'.
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Well, from his profile location he is in Linconshire so assuming he is on some sort of UK issued license, if it is more that two years since his instructional flight I wonder if his SEP rating is actually valid - if it is then he just needs to do a flight with an instructor and get it signed up before expiry, if not then it needs a flight with an examiner and he should not be flying P1 until he has done so.
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Andy, you will require a skills test. You clearly state your reval has run out. This happened to me a few years ago. My IMC, and SEP reval, ran out of sync. Despite me having my IMC test, which should have covered me for my 1hour instructor flight, which would have then signed off the SEP, the IMC instructor did not sign my SEP review.
I asked if they would sign retrospectively. No was the answer. I required a one hour check ride in a club 172, which was then also charged as a skills test, which then allowed me to fly the club 172, and my SEP was duly signed.
Whole escapade cost me 500.00 quid. I was not that happy.
I asked if they would sign retrospectively. No was the answer. I required a one hour check ride in a club 172, which was then also charged as a skills test, which then allowed me to fly the club 172, and my SEP was duly signed.
Whole escapade cost me 500.00 quid. I was not that happy.
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It's not really difficult is it?
If the SEP rating is valid and the other revalidation by experience requirement are met then you just need to do a one hour instructional flight prior to the SEP rating expiring and get an examiner to sign the revolution page.
If the SEP rating has expired then it is an LPC.
As examiners we can't sign a rating that has expired even if the requirements have been met as it would be illegal. Therefore it's wise to ensure you get everything sorted on the THREE month window allowed....
If the SEP rating is valid and the other revalidation by experience requirement are met then you just need to do a one hour instructional flight prior to the SEP rating expiring and get an examiner to sign the revolution page.
If the SEP rating has expired then it is an LPC.
As examiners we can't sign a rating that has expired even if the requirements have been met as it would be illegal. Therefore it's wise to ensure you get everything sorted on the THREE month window allowed....
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You clearly state your reval has run out.
I think that what some people are missing here, is that the so called 'Biennial' is not a strictly 2 year thing. (That's why it shouldn't be called a 'Biennial' 
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On any given cycle, the 'biennials' could be anywhere between just over 1 year, and just under 3 years apart, yet still fall within the experience requirements for revalidation.
MJ
)On any given cycle, the 'biennials' could be anywhere between just over 1 year, and just under 3 years apart, yet still fall within the experience requirements for revalidation.
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the IMC instructor did not sign my SEP review.
I should hope not. An Instructor is not authorised to sign to Revalidate a Rating.
Did you mean your IMC Examiner? In which case, did you ask them to also Revalidate your SEP at the same time as your IMC? Examiners are not mind readers!
After your (successful?) IMC Test, assuming all other requirements had been met, you could have gone to ANY Examiner to do the paperwork to Revalidate your SEP Rating 'By Experience'. Why didn't you, before your SEP ran out?
Whole escapade cost me 500.00 quid. I was not that happy
get everything sorted on the THREE month window allowed....
Under EASA there is no 'three month window' for SEP Revalidation by Experience. Once the required second year experience is gained get the Rating signed up asap.
Unfortunately, on National Licences, an SEP Rating can still only be Revalidated during the 3 months prior to expiry.
A bit of a 'nuisance' for those who have both a Part-FCL and a National Licence !