All non-EASA aircraft banned by Dutch?
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All non-EASA aircraft banned by Dutch?
I've heard a story that the Dutch equivalent of the CAA have banned, or are going to ban all foreign non-EASA aircraft (Annex II, homebuilts, microlights etc) from Dutch airspace.
This may also apply to Dutch based but foreign registered non EASA aircraft.
Can anyone confirm or deny?
Can they do that?
This may also apply to Dutch based but foreign registered non EASA aircraft.
Can anyone confirm or deny?
Can they do that?
One can hear a lot of stories, not least at the airfield bar. Some might even be true!
But for myself I'd prefer to see some kind of written source.
For as much as I know the Dutch in general and their government, they'll not soon forbid outright, but they might well make some things prohibitively expensive. They have already shown themselves little supportive of recreational motorised flying.
But for myself I'd prefer to see some kind of written source.
For as much as I know the Dutch in general and their government, they'll not soon forbid outright, but they might well make some things prohibitively expensive. They have already shown themselves little supportive of recreational motorised flying.
As I understand it, the problem isn't with the Dutch CAA, it's with their regulatory people who live in a different government department.
All Dutch GA organisations and their CAA agree that the current regulatory view is unreasonable; hopefully the situation will improve after discussions with other NAAs. But it seems that a civil jet display team were refused entry into Dutch airspace due to this wooden-footed, wooden-headed attitude towards foreign-registered Annex II aircraft....
All Dutch GA organisations and their CAA agree that the current regulatory view is unreasonable; hopefully the situation will improve after discussions with other NAAs. But it seems that a civil jet display team were refused entry into Dutch airspace due to this wooden-footed, wooden-headed attitude towards foreign-registered Annex II aircraft....
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BEAGLE:- so a true story then. And in force.
Presumably there must be a NOTAM somewhere. Embarrassing to arrive at Dutch airspace and be told to p*** off
Presumably there must be a NOTAM somewhere. Embarrassing to arrive at Dutch airspace and be told to p*** off
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all foreign non-EASA aircraft (Annex II, homebuilts, microlights etc) from Dutch airspace.
I am guessing that an N reg RV6 re-registered on the G or Dutch register or an RV6 built in the UK or Holland would be ok.
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what about N experimental
I have a Su29 registered in russia for 15 years, banned in 2011 in europe, then managed to find an alternative N experimental, now I realise it's banned in Italy, France UK, tolerated in Germany , Austria, Slovenia, Netherlands is then a no-go too..
I have a Su29 registered in russia for 15 years, banned in 2011 in europe, then managed to find an alternative N experimental, now I realise it's banned in Italy, France UK, tolerated in Germany , Austria, Slovenia, Netherlands is then a no-go too..
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I guess I misunderstood this one, are we are talking about foreign registered experimental/kit planes only and not type certificated aircraft?
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We are talking about any non-EASA registered aircraft foreign to Holland.
Annex II
Homebuilts
Ultralights
Microlights
Annex II Gliders
the lot.
Just as well this lot weren't running Holland in 1944 as I guess Spitfires would have been banned too!
Sorry, for Holland read the Netherlands. There is apparently a difference if you are Dutch
Annex II
Homebuilts
Ultralights
Microlights
Annex II Gliders
the lot.
Just as well this lot weren't running Holland in 1944 as I guess Spitfires would have been banned too!
Sorry, for Holland read the Netherlands. There is apparently a difference if you are Dutch
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What possible logic would drive this decision, they are impeding GA, tourism, goodwill, open borders and a whole bunch of other stuff and to what possible benefit?
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Who knows?
If it is true, chances are they're breaking some EU or Court of Human Rights Law! - isn't it a mans fundamental right to spend six years or so in his garage, day and night, hammering and drilling away at great financial and mental cost to himself and his family, to one day produce a flying machine, surely that's written into the European Convention on Human Rights!
Anycase, I think the British Goverment should retaliate and ban all Oranges
Anycase, I think the British Goverment should retaliate and ban all Oranges
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Foreign registered Annex II microlights are allowed in NL in accordance with
wetten.nl - Wet- en regelgeving - Regeling MLA?s, MLH?s en schermvliegtuigen - BWBR0015237
The relative bit > or < reads:
MLA, MLH and powered parachutes, registered in a European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) country and which do not have a Certificate of Airworthiness (CofA) as prescribed in ICAO annex 8, are given a general permission to use the airspace of the Netherlands (FIR Amsterdam) under certain conditions on a temporary basis.
The conditions are the following:
1. The Civil Aviation Authority of the country of registry has issued a non ICAO CofA, a permit to fly, or any other document permitting the operation of the aircraft;
2. The operating conditions and limitations set by Civil Aviation Authority of the country of registry are applicable whilst operating in the airspace of the Netherlands.
Foreign registered homebuilts are allowed in accordance with AIC 16/O2.
Integrated Aeronautical Information Package the Netherlands
wetten.nl - Wet- en regelgeving - Regeling MLA?s, MLH?s en schermvliegtuigen - BWBR0015237
The relative bit > or < reads:
MLA, MLH and powered parachutes, registered in a European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) country and which do not have a Certificate of Airworthiness (CofA) as prescribed in ICAO annex 8, are given a general permission to use the airspace of the Netherlands (FIR Amsterdam) under certain conditions on a temporary basis.
The conditions are the following:
1. The Civil Aviation Authority of the country of registry has issued a non ICAO CofA, a permit to fly, or any other document permitting the operation of the aircraft;
2. The operating conditions and limitations set by Civil Aviation Authority of the country of registry are applicable whilst operating in the airspace of the Netherlands.
Foreign registered homebuilts are allowed in accordance with AIC 16/O2.
Integrated Aeronautical Information Package the Netherlands
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As long as it's EASA, then it's still ok.
Similar to England vs UK. For us non-UK people it's the same, but for a Scottish person it's probably very different
Sorry, for Holland read the Netherlands. There is apparently a difference if you are Dutch
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From what I understand a G-Reg RV6 can't go to Holland any more.
AIC-A 16/02
02 MAY 02
PERMISSION TO FLY INTO THE NETHERLANDS AIRSPACE WITH FOREIGN BUILT AMATEUR AIRCRAFT
A new part of dutch legislation of amateur built aircraft came recently in force. Part of this new legislation deals with amateur built aircraft which are registered in a member country of the European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) and do not have a Certificate of Airworthiness (CofA), as prescribed in ICAO annex 8.
Amateur built aircraft, registered in an ECAC country are given a general permission to use the airspace of the Netherlands (FIR Amsterdam) under certain conditions on a temporary basis. This is to facilitate international meetings, fly-ins, demonstrations or other recreational purposes.
The conditions are the following:
Post: Civil Aviation Authority Netherlands
P.O. Box 575
2130 AN Hoofddorp
The Netherlands Fax: +31 (0)23 566 3006[IMG]resource://skype_ff_extension-at-jetpack/skype_ff_extension/data/call_skype_logo.png[/IMG]+31 (0)23 566 3006 AIC-B (MAL) 68/92 is cancelled herewith.
ISSN: 1386-6605
02 MAY 02
PERMISSION TO FLY INTO THE NETHERLANDS AIRSPACE WITH FOREIGN BUILT AMATEUR AIRCRAFT
A new part of dutch legislation of amateur built aircraft came recently in force. Part of this new legislation deals with amateur built aircraft which are registered in a member country of the European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) and do not have a Certificate of Airworthiness (CofA), as prescribed in ICAO annex 8.
Amateur built aircraft, registered in an ECAC country are given a general permission to use the airspace of the Netherlands (FIR Amsterdam) under certain conditions on a temporary basis. This is to facilitate international meetings, fly-ins, demonstrations or other recreational purposes.
The conditions are the following:
- The Civil Aviation Authority of the country of registry has issued a non ICAO CofA, a permit to fly, or any other document permitting the operation of the aircraft;
- The operating conditions and limitations set by Civil Aviation Authority of the country of registry are applicable whilst operating in the airspace of the Netherlands.
- Certificate of Registration;
- CofA, Permit to Fly, or any other document permitting the operation of the aircraft;
- If the document under 2. is only valid in your national airspace, an exemption from the Civil Aviation Authority concerned, permitting the aircraft to be operated outside your national airspace is necessary;
- Proof of adequate insurance concerning liability.
Post: Civil Aviation Authority Netherlands
P.O. Box 575
2130 AN Hoofddorp
The Netherlands Fax: +31 (0)23 566 3006[IMG]resource://skype_ff_extension-at-jetpack/skype_ff_extension/data/call_skype_logo.png[/IMG]+31 (0)23 566 3006 AIC-B (MAL) 68/92 is cancelled herewith.
ISSN: 1386-6605
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Thanks, so it doesn't look quite so bad as I'd been told for for ULV's and homebuilts
What about Annex II aircraft which are not microlights?
Thanks, so it doesn't look quite so bad as I'd been told for for ULV's and homebuilts
What about Annex II aircraft which are not microlights?
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Subversive thought.
Don't bother with getting exemption, you call ATC as you cross border - has anyone had ATC query you about if you're aircraft is legal or has exemption? Ever? No, they don't know, they just assume or don't even care. Only time this would potentially be a problem is if you had a ramp check by the Dutch CAA on the ground. But then it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.
Don't bother with getting exemption, you call ATC as you cross border - has anyone had ATC query you about if you're aircraft is legal or has exemption? Ever? No, they don't know, they just assume or don't even care. Only time this would potentially be a problem is if you had a ramp check by the Dutch CAA on the ground. But then it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.