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Old 28th Sep 2012, 20:56   #1 (permalink)
 
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Licence renewal advice please

With EASA coming can anyone give accurate advice for me to renew the following ratings - SEP Land, MEP Land and SEP, MEP instructor ratings.

Current licence UK JAA ATPL MPA/IR - Jet - TRI/TRE

SEP Land expired Aug 2004 at the time 3600hrs on various types

MEP Land expired Jan 2003 at the time 3000hrs on various types

SEP, MEP Instructor ratings expired April 2003

Single pilot IR last renewed Feb 2006

And of course any recommendations were to complete everything in a timely fashion.

Thank you in advance.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 08:08   #2 (permalink)
 
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Perhaps easiest to combine all with the FI renewal and I can only see one organisation that could fulfil all of your requirements
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 09:00   #3 (permalink)
 
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I would heartily second Ontrack. I am on the next FI Seminar in October which should be interesting.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 09:04   #4 (permalink)
 
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MEP the way I am reading it is that you have to do the course again. SEP seems to be training as required as there isn't a SEP class course.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 09:25   #5 (permalink)
 
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You mean the whole MEP again course with no dispensation for previous experience, or current experience, how do they work that one out.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 10:01   #6 (permalink)
 
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Its someme easa pish with the ratings.

Same boat as myself with the MEP when I looked at it.

Before all I would have had to do is a test in a MEP and send the license off and get it put back on.

Now its the whole thing again. I can sort of see the point if your flying a 4 holer. But I am doing 600 hours a year in a TP. So the course is going to teach me how to use cowling flaps again.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 10:37   #7 (permalink)
 
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Unbelievable, which doc is this stated in ? 3000 hrs multi piston worldwide ops and I have to do an MEP course again to fly for pleasure, something's not right.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 11:00   #8 (permalink)
 
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CAP 804 is now the one you have to look at.

It something like must complete training as required by an ATO.

When I talked to a couple of them it was going to be...

1 hour general handling steep turns and the like emergency actions.
1 hour stalling and dual engine circuits
1.5 hours single engine work
2 hours ground school MEP.
and the MEP exam.

Then a one hour skills test which couldn't combined with the MEP SPA IR.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 11:19   #9 (permalink)
 
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Whopity

Thanks, a good lead just emailed them, though by the looks of it I will just renew the SEP / MEP Land SP IR and leave the instructor ratings to disappear for good gracefully. Fortunately I still have my TRI/TRE on a hot jet so that will keep me happy
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 11:23   #10 (permalink)
 
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If my requirements turn out the same, I suppose 4.5 hours training is not too bad to renew considering I haven't flown a multi piston for 8-9 years
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 11:39   #11 (permalink)
 
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I object to it mainly because of there attitude. Its not a lets see what you need and if we go up for an hour and everything is fine we can crack on with the test. Its the no you must do x amount of hours.

I took such an exception to it that two CV's got removed from a to be interviewed pile because of thier attitude on the phone. So I hope they like instructing on the twin because thats what they will be doing instead of flying a multicrew turboprop.
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Old 29th Sep 2012, 12:38   #12 (permalink)
 
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I take your point, where has common sense gone ?

Briefly looking through CAP 804, as the holder of a current JAR FCL ATPL not a lot is going to change except for a new looking licence and any expired class/type ratings going on the back of the licence page for future revalidation by an examiner and then re-issue of that licence page by the CAA, is that it in a nut shell ?
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Old 30th Sep 2012, 09:09   #13 (permalink)
 
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I think so, but I suspect that when we come round to renewing our licenses things will come up in the wash. The ATPL and SEP class trumps everything down to national level but as soon as you start getting into nitty gritty of the different classes it gets a bit confusing. But if you just looking at flying run of the EASA C of A aircraft its relatively simple.

The only thing I am dithering about is what sort of instrument rating to maintain on SEP SPA. The full monty or just what the IMC turns into.
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Old 30th Sep 2012, 09:47   #14 (permalink)
 
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Personally I am going to renew my SEP, MEP, SPA/IR then with the MPA/IR and type ratings TRI/TRE that should cover a multitude of sins, from reading CAP 804 the licence should then read ATPL, CPL, PPL, SPL with current type and class ratings, my old instructor ratings can disappear gracefully as I have no time or interest to keep them current.

Oh the SPL bit should be interesting as I have a glider licence to silver C level that was issued 30 years ago and apparently never expires so they can put that on this new licence
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