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Old 5th Jul 2012, 07:27   #1 (permalink)
 
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Busy New York ATC Lady keeps her cool talking to GA aircraft

I don't know how this lady kept her cool....light aircraft and big jets in some of the worlds busiest airspace just don't mix!!
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 08:22   #2 (permalink)
 
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I suppose you get them like that up in your neck of the woods ? But what a plonker

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Old 5th Jul 2012, 08:32   #3 (permalink)
 
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Pace....very rare to be honest, most of our GA folk have a brain!!
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 09:00   #4 (permalink)
 
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We do get annoying ones usually the guy who speaks at ultra slow speed and gives out a diatribe of unneeded rubbish all usually on busy frequencies when others are trying to get in a call.

The French are in a league of their own! I swear they discuss the previous nights football match in french

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Old 5th Jul 2012, 09:40   #5 (permalink)
 
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A few years back I was transiting the Med south of Nice and the Controller was having a great deal of trouble locating a UK registered aircraft, the guy in the aircraft seemed to be giving all sorts of conflicting position reports.

The controller asked me if I could try to locate the guy and put us both of to a descreet frequency to try to sort this out. The nub of the problem is that the guy did not understand the deference between VOR course and radial.

Having located the guy and passed him onto the correct controller, the French controller I was working says " you have helped me so I shall now help you" and clears me direct to my entry point into the Roma FIR, a clearance that saved a great deal of dog legging.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 10:15   #6 (permalink)
 
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Having located the guy and passed him onto the correct controller, the French controller I was working says " you have helped me so I shall now help you" and clears me direct to my entry point into the Roma FIR, a clearance that saved a great deal of dog legging.
A few years ago I helped Shannon out by relaying some messages for them to an aircraft that they'd lost comms with. Well all was done they offered to clear me through the Galway zone if I wanted a short cut, instead of the Shannon zone which I'd planned.

I told them that I wanted to stick to my original plan through the Shannon zone, and got the reply "Ok. Well you are cleared to go whichever way you want to go !"
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 10:16   #7 (permalink)
 
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There was a YouTube clip a few years ago of a conversation ATC had with a GA pilot. Some sort of emergency was happening in the west of this ATCs airspace, so he was told to clear his airspace. A GA pilot somewhere in the east refused, and they had quite a discussion over the radio.

Can't find it however.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 10:50   #8 (permalink)
 
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Could it have been Weaver on a ferry flight, attitude sounds about right
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 11:51   #9 (permalink)

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I told them that I wanted to stick to my original plan
I was offered a short cut once but decided that I preferred to stick to what was drawn on the map, written up in the plog, and displayed on the G1000 ... and remaining over land rather than water.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 12:41   #10 (permalink)

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Discussed on another forum. To add some icing to the top of the cake, the guy in this recording phoned in after he landed to complain about that controller
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 13:41   #11 (permalink)
 
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Discussed on another forum. To add some icing to the top of the cake, the guy in this recording phoned in after he landed to complain about that controller
I hope they had him sectioned under the mental health act and removed the tw+ts licence pending a full medical examination.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 14:55   #12 (permalink)
 
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I'd be interested to read the discussion.

I'm not sure that I'd get the psychiatrists involved, but there's clearly something wrong.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 16:48   #13 (permalink)

 
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More, I'd suggest, that "lots of busy people, and an idiot don't mix".

Aeroplane size is pretty irrelevant.

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Old 5th Jul 2012, 17:41   #14 (permalink)
 
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It's hilarious when at 2:00 in the video Delta151 finishes off with "good luck" to the ATC lady
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 09:41   #15 (permalink)
 
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"Grace Under Fire" is expression that comes to mind regarding the controller.

As for the pilot, this is someone who should be nowhere near the wheel of a plane...and possibly not any other form of transport. If it's not a medical problem, then he is a disgrace to the GA community.

Does the FAA not investigate this sort of incident??
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 10:51   #16 (permalink)
 
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Well done to her for handling it so professionally. At my local field you get flamed for merely an incorrect read back. I'd hate to see the gals in my local tower handle this guy.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 20:33   #17 (permalink)
 
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How convinced he was that he was right and the controller was wrong! Seems like he needs a follow up visit "We're from the FAA and we are here to assist you!"
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 20:53   #18 (permalink)
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The guy was clearly in his own little world...kind of scary there are people like that who fly. Thankfully it sounded like although he was on her frequency he wasn't about to crash into anyone.

I would however maintain that provided pilots and controllers are competent light aircraft are fine to mix with the big stuff. Particularly in the US controllers are used to and generally very relaxed about light aircraft in busy airspace; I've flown IFR in a lot of the busy airspace around New York and Boston, never been a problem. Once got to fly over the top of JFK at about 6000ft, which at sunset was a pretty impressive sight with all the lights and everything.

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 21:35   #19 (permalink)
 
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Heard something similar start with one of the female ATCO's at BHX.

Didn't last very long mind.

I was told "try not to annoy her FFS sounds like she is taking no prisoners today"
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 23:44   #20 (permalink)
 
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What an idiot! A rare occurence though.

Luckily big and small, IFR and VFR mix regularly here and works well.
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