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Old 19th Jan 2010, 07:34
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Flexwing microlight crash, pilot killed.

I may be putting two and two together here but this is rather sad..

BBC News - Microlight pilot's body found off the French coast if it is linked.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 07:41
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oh dear, oh dear. The weather was pants until the afternoon. I would not have wanted to cross the Channel in a microlight.
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very sad news indeed. i was flying close to lydd/dover yesterday and the viz was very poor.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 08:25
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I have just read a similar article online where the pilot is named. It would appear to be the thread starter.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 08:47
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He was trying to raise funds for the very worthwhile charity, Help for Heroes. If anyone wants to donate in his memory the link is:

http://www.flytoaus.com/donations.htm
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 10:12
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This is really sad.

Not that this could have any bearing on the accident but I thought that asking for donations of charts (whose cost would be an absolutely miniscule proportion of this trip, and given that donated charts would for the most part not have been current) was a curious request.
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I just wanted to add that it is indeed a very sad outcome.

Leaving aside the circumstances (about which I know nothing) it warms my heart to see people take on challenges such as this. Even with the very best preparations there are risks involved but the world would be a poorer place where it not for those prepared to give it go.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 10:38
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IO540 - I'd think that the charts for much of this route are so old that 'current' is rather a moot point anyway. Certainly the charts we're using to plan our trip at the moment are decades old, and seem to be the newest available!

It's desperately sad to hear about Martin running into trouble so quickly, but well done to him for giving it a go - not many people have the spirit to try these things, and there is always more danger involved than your typical bimble.
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From my point of view, using this website as a source of information, and given that i'm a 30 hours PPL student, I would be very interested to know peoples opinions on the chances of this trip being conducted safely. Given that the trip would have to be purely VFR and given the weather conditions recently, would a trip like this be considered as a high risk exercise?

I only ask because I have enjoyed reading some excellent stories of such round the world trips in single engine light aircraft and hopefully plan to undertake such an activity in a 3 axis microlight later on in life. I have to add I haven't read about such a trip in a flex wing although i'm not suggesting that it is more of a risk necessarily.

I do not wish to question the trip or the integrity of the pilot, but just wanted to know if this kind of trip could be completed safely given the restrictions of VFR.

I guess that as long as one has the time available to wait for decent departure and destination weather, and has a plan should the weather turn nasty enroute, each leg of the trip should be no more risky than a lengthly cross country trip. Obviously a percentage of the legs on this trip would be over water, which does at to the risk i would guess.

My sincere condolences to the family and friends of the deceased.

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Old 19th Jan 2010, 11:04
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This is unbelievably sad. Seems like such a nice guy too. Thoughts and prayers to his friends and of course his family. Another sad day in aviation.

CHARITY FLIGHT TO AUSTRALIA BY FLEXWING
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 11:28
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201001181406 TAF EGMD 181406Z 1815/1820 26005KT 8000 SCT005
TEMPO 1815/1818 9999 BKN005
PROB30 1815/1820 0700 FG BKN001=
201001181107 TAF EGMD 181107Z 1812/1820 26005KT 0300 FG BKN001
TEMPO 1812/1820 5000 BR BKN005
PROB30 TEMPO 1812/1820 9999 SCT005 BKN020=

201001180908 TAF EGMD 180908Z 1809/1818 26005KT 0300 FG FEW002 SCT006
BECMG 1809/1812 7000 NSW
TEMPO 1809/1818 9999 BKN006=
201001171702 TAF EGMD 171702Z 1718/1720 25011KT 9999 FEW025=
201001171358 TAF EGMD 171358Z 1715/1720 26013KT 9999 FEW025=

201001181406 TAF EGKA 181406Z 1815/1821 23004KT 7000 FEW003 SCT006
TEMPO 1815/1818 9999
PROB30 TEMPO 1815/1821 0700 FG BKN001=
201001181107 TAF EGKA 181107Z 1812/1821 26004KT 4000 BR SCT002 BKN007
BECMG 1812/1815 8000 NSW
PROB40 TEMPO 1812/1818 9999 SCT007 BKN020
PROB30 1818/1821 0300 FG VV///=

201001180834 TAF EGKA 180834Z 1809/1818 26004KT 0300 FG BKN001
BECMG 1809/1812 8000 NSW BKN008
TEMPO 1810/1818 9999 SCT008=

201001181400 TAF LFRK 181400Z 1815/1824 VRB02KT 3000 BR FEW010 BKN035
PROB30 TEMPO 1815/1818 6000 NSW
TEMPO 1815/1824 0600 FG BKN010=
201001181100 TAF LFRK 181100Z 1812/1821 VRB03KT 9999 FEW010 BKN040
TEMPO 1812/1818 4000 BR BKN010=

201001180800 TAF LFRK 180800Z 1809/1818 VRB02KT 3000 BR BKN004 BKN040
PROB30 TEMPO 1809/1811 0500 FG OVC002
BECMG 1811/1813 9999 NSW SCT025=



No idea of the route though.
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My thoughts are with his family. I feared the worst yesterday knowing the weather and seeing the tracking finish mid channel at 3000'.
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The tracking site suggests he was heading for LTQ but his last position shows his track to be 229 degrees which looks like he was turning back. There are no tafs or metars for LFAT to be found. The following is for Abbeyville

201001181300 METAR LFOI 181300Z 23006KT 200V280 9999 OVC020 07/07 Q1026=
201001181200 METAR LFOI 181200Z 20006KT 4500 BR FEW005 BKN020 07/07 Q1026=
201001181100 METAR LFOI 181100Z 20004KT 4500 BR FEW005 OVC020 06/06 Q1027=
201001181030 METAR LFOI 181030Z 20002KT 4000 BR SCT005 BKN020 06/06 Q1027=
201001181000 METAR LFOI 181000Z 19003KT 4000 BR SCT005 BKN020 05/05 Q1027=

and some Shoreham ones

201001181350 METAR EGKA 181350Z 23004KT 7000 0800S VCFG FEW001 SCT006
BKN032 08/08 Q1025=
201001181250 METAR EGKA 181250Z 25009KT 9999 FEW004 SCT006 BKN032 10/08
Q1025=
201001181150 METAR EGKA 181150Z 25006KT 4500 BR BKN004 07/07 Q1025=
201001181050 METAR EGKA 181050Z 11003KT 4000 BR SCT002 BKN007 06/06 Q1026=
201001180950 METAR EGKA 180950Z 00000KT 1200 BR BKN003 04/04 Q1026=

The curious thing is that the news report says his last call was 1310Z but the last tracking point says 0846.

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Old 19th Jan 2010, 12:56
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Given that he took off at around 10.00 the Met forecast that he would have had did seem to show an improvement. He would not have picked up on the deterioration unless he'd asked for it en route.

No doubt we'll read more about it in the AAIB report.

Sad result for a brave attempt
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 13:00
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Was he flying VFR or IFR?
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 13:02
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Was he flying VFR or IFR?
Don't think he'd have had an IFR option in a flexwing microlight?
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 13:04
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IFR in a microlight?
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 13:12
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The tracking is from a Canadian company and the timebase used is GMT-4, therefore last point of 0846 was 1246Z
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IFR in a microlight?
No, but

201001181320 METAR EGMD 181320Z 22007KT 8000 BKN005 06/06 Q1025=
201001181250 METAR EGMD 181250Z 26003KT 5000 BR BKN005 06/06 Q1025=
201001181220 METAR EGMD 181220Z 32002KT 4500 BR SCT002 BKN035 06/06 Q1025=
201001181150 METAR EGMD 181150Z 36002KT 3500 R21/P1200 BR SCT002 BKN006
05/05 Q1026=

is not really VFR weather.

It's OK for a very low scud run over the sea. However, he seems to have been flying at 3000ft. There is very little sounding data for 1200Z (Herstmonceux is missing) but what there is suggest he may have been above a fairly solid overcast.

I suppose that with such a low stall speed one could descend over the sea and put down on a beach somewhere.

It seems odd to be to be embarking on a trip to Australia and searching for the charts only a week or two before departure. There is a lot of planning to do on such a trip, especially once past the corners of Europe.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 14:02
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Although a weightshift the landing speed is quite high on these later types, much higher than a cub for instance. A beach landing would have been very trickey, especially given the fog
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