I would be the first to admit that i am new to aviation, but i do know how to run a buisness,and how to give the staff the respect that they deserve.And beleave me,the crap that they have had to put up with over the past few MONTHS not weeks they deserve a hell of alot.
No one is questioning the professionalism and dedication of the CFS team, however they have been paid despite the chance to simply fold the company and wind up the business.
If a potential buyer (and there is one) is in the mix, it is in the interests of the staff to keep the place ticking over.
As for the sarcasm regarding the Aviation guys who were involved that is unjustified as I', sure the CFS staff will confirm.
They worked their asses off to make sense of the whole thing but left when their advice fell on deaf ears!
One has returned for a month to sort out the existing problems and frankly in a few weeks has swam the channel from what I can see, the net result being the team at Durham getting PAID!
How many times have we all been victims of bankruptcy???
Comed, Northern Aviation, Emerald, British North West, SHALL I GO ON.
Only to hear the same moaning and bleating from whiners and wet drips who just blab on for the sake of it.
Small industry, so take care as in some cases its obvious who you are.
Amazing how the circuit brings you back round the block.
I interviewed a guy last week who had all the right tickets but I know from the past is a whiner and constant antagonist.
These "Bad Apples" end up in Eastern Europe, the African Cessna 206 safari market, or crewing Islanders and Twin Otters for Solomon Air in the South Pacific as no one this side of that hemisphere will employ them. Management do talk despite being in competition and............................................... ................................... Sh1t sticks!
Fact is in two weeks this guy Disley have brought back has by whatever means managed to raise the cash to pay the staff, that's it, and yes I know him.
Lucky it wasn't just wound up and indeed asset stripped!
Hope my eloquence and diction have not offended anyone.
Lets not mock the afflicted you whiner!
So many pilots who have or still work for me are as thick as pig muck, but can put 20-200 tonnes on a 5p piece with remarkable frequency in washing line weather.
We are quick to take investors money, but also just as quick and scream and blub when it all goes Pete Tong!
Maybe if people spent less time on here or any other moan forum and tried to be more proactive within the company they take their renumeration from month in month out dispite the economic climate and minor recession we are in, we all might, just might, survive.
If you have a job in aviation and have half a brain, put a little to one side as the wise ones of us do so. So if your employer cant pay you or lay golden eggs for whatever reason you can survive long enough to seek alternative employment, or sod off and work in Botswana!
You moaners still cease to amaze me as the world shrinks for you!
CM.
Would love to hear when the staff at Blackpool who didn't get paid for two months and longer, who still stuck at training to get 95% of the deposited money on students accounts "flown off" are going to get paid!
From what I have read, beleive me guys and gals, you don't know the half of the sh*t we had to put up with! But those thoughts shall remain in my own mind.
Karl, please accept my apology for my reference to your problem in my last post. I have now removed it.
But, I think you would do yourself a favour by not getting deeply involved with DA. I guess flying is in your blood and you want to make a career as a pilot - there are still some decent people in aviation who could mentor you and would be far more worthy of your loyalty than the person in question. Best wishes for your future flying career. M30
Your pay is in dispute Ian !
Employers beware!
I wonder why?
Everyone else who is entitled to it will be paid as the CFS staff has.
I have it on good authority debts from 2006 and 2007 for the Helicentre are being chased by creditors, and as we all know it wasn't a disley company then. He was prepared to invest in GA and they were waiting like the sideswiping, money grabbing sods we all know exist in the fringes of GA and live with the crumbs under the customer waiting room settees!
All is not as clear cut as some of you make out, moaners!
All I can see is we have lost yet another Investor in GA.
We should be mourning not moaning!
Have a look at the characteres who sold the businesses in the first place and apportion accordingly!
People with money usually have high powered lawyers somewhere!
Helicentre EGNH
Your pay is in dispute Ian !
Employers beware!
I wonder why?
Everyone else who is entitled to it will be paid as the CFS staff has.
I have it on good authority debts from 2006 and 2007 for the Helicentre are being chased by creditors, and as we all know it wasn't a disley company then. He was prepared to invest in GA and they were waiting like the sideswiping, money grabbing sods we all know exist in the fringes of GA and live with the crumbs under the customer waiting room settees!
All is not as clear cut as some of you make out, moaners!
All I can see is we have lost yet another Investor in GA.
We should be mourning not moaning!
Have a look at the characteres who sold the businesses in the first place and apportion accordingly!
People with money usually have high powered lawyers somewhere!
CM.
Aren't you a nasty piece of work.
GA doesn't just need investors, it needs people who know what they are doing. Having read your posts, you definately fall into the "haven't got the foggiest" section of the industry.
Perhaps CM would like to make his identity public seeing as he enjoys doing this to others then maybe some or your past and present creditors could ask their high powered lawyers to talk to yours and decide if they really want to do any business with you or your associates in the future.
You are a bully and have shown yourself up to be what you really are now for ever visible on these pages. Never have I heard such a brown nosing load of .
I make a fantastic living from aviation!
My team all enjoy a good lifestyle and you are again jumping to conclusions.
Me a bully, nasty peice of work why?
As i said before, I know someone who has been drafted in to help, I'm not involved in puddle hoppers, thank god, If it's populated by people like you!
Taking my nearly new Range Rover to Meadow hall to spend some money I made from Aviation!!
Pro moaners, who'd give em the time of day lol!
CM.
I think you've just proved every possible point made against you with that.
Range Rover...*Yawn*
I wouldn't start to willy wave if I was you. It just makes you look like a twonk. Instead, why don't you learn this mantra. Money talks, Wealth whispers.
I can see that you haven't spent any of that money on spelling lessons though. Now, who are your "team"? Why would anyone with an ounce of business sense get involved with something like this? From what you've typed, you do know naff all about General Aviation. Anyone with more than 30 seconds experience, knows that you don't buy a small operation like this, you set one up. It's easy and that way you aren't already having to service debt from any previous incarnation.
The first priority of any business should be to ensure that it's staff are paid promptly, if you don't, then the damage you do to your business is enormous.
I don't blame people for getting upset when they don't get paid. People do have commitments and company owners playing fast and loose with their obligations to their staff is poor, poor practice and is invariably caused by the fact that things are about to go tits up.
Expecting people to show "loyalty" to a company that can't even be bothered to meet it's contractual obligations is nothing more than crass stupidity. It has nothing to do with staff being "bad apples".
In fact, the only "bad apple" in this seems to be you and the "management" that have let their staff and customers down so badly.
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Most successful businessmen that I have met have charisma - something you appear to be a little short of.
So you must have some other gift.....can you tell us what the secret is of your great success? The aspirational amongst us would love to know so that we might one day also live it up and drive around in nearly new Range Rovers by emulating you.......
Not myself however - I would not lower myself to driving around in a WAG's car. And not even a new one to boot !
And as for your eating out.....you go to a shopping centre in Sheffield? Meadowhall - Eat
How completely common.
If you really had some style, you would jump into a twin or a jet, fly (yourself of course, plus your guests/ friends) to Le Bourget, and have dinner at Pierre Gagnaire in Paris. Stay overnight in the George V hotel, before flying back at your leisure.
But your style is to say t' missus....."ee up luv,fancy some scran down t' shopping centre? I want to pose in t' nearly new Range Rover a bit before the repo men take it back....."
hahahahahahahaahaha
But your style is to say t' missus....."ee up luv,fancy some scran down t' shopping centre? I want to pose in t' nearly new Range Rover a bit before the repo men take it back....."
hahahahahahahaahaha
I think it's very distasteful of you to come on here bragging about your 'Range Rover' while simultaneously dismissing the people who haven't been paid as 'whiners'.
I've been involved in aviation a long time, and have met a lot of tossers, but I don't think I've ever come across anyone as vile as you.
Crewmuncher. How do you suppose YOUR pilots will react to being described as 'thick as pig muck' ? Slow down mate, your mouth is a minute or two ahead of your brain.
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It's good that the CFS people have been paid. I have spoken to the man who has been contracted by Disley to do the disposal job. Sadly, as there is nothing left of Flyteam at Elstree to dispose of, I guess that he is not interested in either the members or the staff down there, all of whom seem to be owed money by Disley.
Mr CrewMuncher - as you have some sympathy with Jonathan Disley, think that he is a fine upstanding chap and also intimate that you have the ear of SP who is doing the disposal, do you think that you could point him down South to deal with things properly there? I am happy to meet him at Elstree and I am sure the ex-staff there will be similarly pleased to see him. We could also arrange for the people who witnessed the delivery of equipment there to explain exactly what they saw happening so that he can discuss that with the right person.
One more thing -if, when Mr Disley 'bought' Flyteam, he did not pay the agreed price, one could understand a degree of cynicism creeping in about his character. I wonder if that was the case?
As people do say to make a million in aviation you need to put in 5 this may be true in some cases. What i must be failing to understand is that instead of past DA employee's and people with past involvement contact myself or JD or anyone still involved with DA. People that are bad mouthing GA companys and various people on this forum need to grow up and find something else to do instead of relishing on someone else's misfortune. The only person who has seen the light and decided to contact someone privately is timgriff and i am looking into his case as i type .
I hope Amir did too. I trained with them a couple years ago and as previously said Amir, Ches and Chris R did a great job of running a great little school.
Does anyone know if Ches is still teaching anywhere?
Any plans on anyone taking over Flyteam cranfield and elstree?
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