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Old 27th Jan 2013, 19:13   #1241 (permalink)
 
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How is it there fault if a pilot stuffs it in? That can happen anywhere and does.
You, I and other aviation folk know that but to A&BC it's a risk.

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Old 27th Jan 2013, 19:38   #1242 (permalink)
 
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It would appear that the department of Argyll & Bute Council that 'run' the airports are preparing a report that will present some 'options' for the future of Glenforsa to senior councillors. It also appears that there are no plans to consult anyone from Mull or any other stakeholders or airfield users as to what they think should happen to the airfield
I assume then that this will not be a public document, not be open for any public debate nor input, and will be presented at some stage in the future as an announcement
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Old 27th Jan 2013, 20:18   #1243 (permalink)
 
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Glenforsa Follies

Going by the way the Oban Airport debacle has been conducted, I would say that is a fair assumption to make.


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Old 27th Jan 2013, 20:40   #1244 (permalink)
 
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So its basically screwed then like Oban.
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Old 27th Jan 2013, 20:57   #1245 (permalink)
 
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Having thought about this, what is there to prepare a report, with options about?

It was an unlicensed field, with a wind sock. I know they then decided to make it like a mini Aberdeen, but that failed. David, I assume will be sent to look for wild Sea Eagles eating little lambs, and carrying off the local schoolchildren (the eagles carrying off the schoolchildren). Edited for full,clarification.

It will then revert back to what it was, an unlicensed field, with a wind sock. I am sure BW will oil up the tractor, mow the lawn, and we can all get back to calling in unannounced for a cup of tea and a venison burger.

Non?

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Old 27th Jan 2013, 21:08   #1246 (permalink)
 
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I am sure BW will oil up the tractor, mow the lawn, and we can all get back to calling in unannounced for a cup of tea and a venison burger.
Not a chance in hell of that happening. Politically unacceptable and they will put a plough through it than that happening.

You won't won't even know that its going to happen, one morning a tractor or a couple of them will turn up with a reaper and plough and by the time anyone gets to the field it will have been ruined for landing aircraft on.

They won't even turn it into a camping site because they will begrudge the hotel getting buisness off the campers.

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Old 27th Jan 2013, 21:12   #1247 (permalink)
 
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It would be in his interest to do it, MJ.

If of course the field reverts to that status.

Sorry did not catch your edit. Well we just have to turn up at Lochgilphead Town Hall, bats in hand , and ask to speak with the councilmen.

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Old 27th Jan 2013, 21:28   #1248 (permalink)
 
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They won't care.

They will see it as there democratic right for the good of the community to destroy it because they have made such a pigs ear of the whole thing.

The council hate anyone benefiting from a public site and they hate it even more when they look clueless pillocks when a project fails.

You will need to start moving now to get assurances that it won't be raped in the middle of the night because once they do it thats the end of it. They will put the reaper through it, then drill it and then plough it. It will take months of compressing just to get the surface back again never mind a stable grass cover. And the longer you argue about it with nothing being grown on it the topsoil will get washed away and then youhave even bigger problems. The council won't have any money to do it and there will be some health and safety rubbish why the locals can't do it for free.
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Old 28th Jan 2013, 07:23   #1249 (permalink)
 
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Who does the land actually belong to?
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Old 28th Jan 2013, 10:59   #1250 (permalink)
 
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Glenforsa Follies

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They will see it as there democratic right for the good of the community to destroy it because they have made such a pigs ear of the whole thing.

The council hate anyone benefiting from a public site and they hate it even more when they look clueless pillocks when a project fails.

You will need to start moving now to get assurances that it won't be raped in the middle of the night because once they do it thats the end of it. They will put the reaper through it, then drill it and then plough it. It will take months of compressing just to get the surface back again never mind a stable grass cover. And the longer you argue about it with nothing being grown on it the topsoil will get washed away and then youhave even bigger problems. The council won't have any money to do it and there will be some health and safety rubbish why the locals can't do it for free.
The only information the Councillers have to work with is that provided by the department that operates the airfields. If they were to be presented with considered, measured and sensible suggestions from the aviation community in sufficient numbers, it may enable them to come to a non-terminal decision as to the future of the airfield.

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Who does the land actually belong to?
I assume it belongs to the ratepayers of Mull as it is a public facility.

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Old 28th Jan 2013, 14:28   #1251 (permalink)
 
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CWW - when you say it remains closed, can I assume that no wreckage/debris, bits of blue and white tape remain at the site?

Did it ever achieve any licensed status? If not, there would be nothing to stop anyone just popping in, same as it always was.

The A/G was a nonsense, the PPR via Oban, well I never did it, therefore, unless they do a Meigs Field on it, not a great deal to stop anyone using it. Also if it is in public ownership, then one could argue that, in Scotland, there are no laws of trespass, therefore a non issue.

I wondered if it was part of the Glenforsa Estate, but their boundry looks to stop short, or does that matter??

I may be wrong though, so would appreciate thoughts.
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There is laws of trespass its just that they are civil and if you don't damage anything there isn't a problem.

But unfortunately you need the landowners permission under the ANO for use none emergency for landing. And the ANO is a criminal law not a civil.
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Old 28th Jan 2013, 19:18   #1253 (permalink)
 
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Looking at this optimistically, I wonder if A&BC are waiting for the AAIB report?

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Old 28th Jan 2013, 19:34   #1254 (permalink)
 
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I can't understand why A&BC keep digging holes for themselves, there's plenty of good will for an area utterly dependent on tourism and they just seem to work at p155ing people off and creating problems where none existed.

The contrast at Broadford is amazing, PPR over the phone without problem arrive at an empty airfield and fill in a form for an honesty box for landing fees.

Simple and cheap. The proposal to add commercial services will be satisfied with a couple of portacabins I believe. They must have been to Wanaka

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Old 28th Jan 2013, 20:24   #1255 (permalink)
 
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Looking at this optimistically, I wonder if A&BC are waiting for the AAIB report?
It was in the December AAIB report - Correspondence Investigation. Nothing within A&B's control reported.
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Old 28th Jan 2013, 20:38   #1256 (permalink)
 
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Dornoch is the same and it wasn't shut when the PA38 crashed there recently.

Most of the Orkney fields are run the same. Seems strange that ABC seem to have a completely different rule book to the rest of Scotland.
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I thought that the network of airstrips in Scotland were partly to support air-ambulance operations, and that there are some fixed-wing air ambulances there. The internet seems to confirm this, though the Scottish air ambulance website says the aircraft are for inter-hospital transfers.

Am I mistaken? And if not, isn't it also the case that these airstrips and airports may be used by the emergency services?

As an aside, I thought MJ may enjoy this webpage which I just found:

Dornoch Airport :: Private Jets Charter ::

"From the moment the jet lands at Dornoch Airport in beautiful city of Dornoch, , you will begin to experience a different, yet exciting culture. 
There is much to do, and much to see. Settle into the hotel, rest up, and then begin to take in the local culture."
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Old 29th Jan 2013, 06:26   #1258 (permalink)
 
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From the moment the jet lands at Dornoch Airport in beautiful city of Dornoch, , you will begin to experience a different, yet exciting culture. 
There is much to do, and much to see. Settle into the hotel, rest up, and then begin to take in the local culture
And I honestly was beginning to think I had seen and heard most things that life could throw at me

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Old 29th Jan 2013, 07:19   #1259 (permalink)
 
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Have to agree max....rotflmao!!
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Old 29th Jan 2013, 07:39   #1260 (permalink)
 
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Just had a vision of the Trump 757, short final to Dornoch City Airport, guy in LHS looks back and shouts, "Donald, think we may have to throw this one away"
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