I may be missing something here but I can understand the need for ATC. I can also see that AG is adequete in many places. However what is the point of an Aerodrome FISO?
Its for when you need to control them on the ground and issue clearances I think.
An Air ground can only give you information as they know it a FISO may be linked into area or another ATC service and be able to relay instructions from an ATCO.
An A/G operator certainly couldn't tell you to squawk xxxx but a FISO can tell you on the ground and request you do in the air.
I am sure 10w, Fisbangwallop or one of the other ATC types will be along to say I am talking shite in a while
On my occasional visits to Oban, I've never had any complaints with the radio. Or with anything else, for that matter, at Oban and Glenforsa. (Except the weather at times.)
Trivialising the desperate situation at Oban & Glenforsa is all very well if you can ignore the effect of this debacle on the real business's and real local pilots that are affected on a daily basis. Maybe if we confined ourselves to 'where to buy the best aviator sunglasses' or is it acceptable to put epaulettes on my flight suit before I solo' type posts, some pruners would find it all less trying.
"They may run a satallite training base when there is enough demand for trial flights and locals wanting lessons though. Although this is fairly easy to do as a RTF. It might get quite hard when everyone has to become a RTO. So enjoy it while it lasts."
Mad Jock as a newbie I don't understand the terms in this post, could you explain them to me please as this impacts me given I can get four hours training whenever Border have an aircraft at Oban. Thanks.
Don't worry the CFI at Border knows what he is doing.
I am sure it will be 100% legal and you have nothing to worry about.
There are changes for the flight training industry in the not so distant future which changes the way that they can operate. We arn't 100% certain when they will come in, but they will eventually, current date is some time in September.
I expect Borders training manual will be a work of art and they might very well get approval for operating out of Oban, phone them and ask for the CFI and ask.
1. Same as most airports. No big deal. If you don't like it don't go. 2. Maybe inconvenient but I guess it's their trainset. Indeed if you think about it the AFS are them primed for any incidents which may occur on start. 3. Most places are PPR now. What's the big deal? Do you not know where your going before you leave? Anytime I've called 30 mins before eta they still take me. 4. Fair point. But all the PK lovers should note this was down to his lobbying the airport.
I've plenty complaints about the whole overhaul of the place, waste of cash etc. but it's here now so we have to live with it. The staff there all seem decent, and are just doing their jobs. At the end of the day it's still in the same place.
And it has never been allowed to have a fair chance at attracting business due to the crap about fences. Who was that down to?
Seems to me more than one party has to share responsibility for any issues. Yet all anyone cares about is bloody jammy dodgers.
There are plenty on here who enjoy stirring up the masses for their own gain. As an example WW has issues with certain airfield managers, as any locals know too well. It is quite amusing reading between the lines of 90% of the crap on here knowing what goes on behind the scenes.
I'd vote for closing this waste of bandwidth. Perhaps have a feedback thread where people who have actually gone there recently and not 2/4/6 years ago can perhaps help the Oban staff either up their game or at least be aware of any genuine issues.
Rant over!
Last edited by silverknapper; 18th Aug 2012 at 14:12.
From Border Air's website it reads "...will have an aircraft based at Oban (North Connel) Airport from 3rd-5th of August. We will be providing flight training, trial flying lessons and aircraft hire throughout the weekend."
OK, they're trying to generate business but until they base there it's not really going to be anything other than a novelty. And pupils there won't be getting taught 5 mile long final approaches.
Border Air Training do have approval from the CAA to conduct flight training at Oban airport
Why would they need it? Until the dreaded FTO requirement comes in, if it's a licensed aerodrome by definition you can run an RTF there. No approval required.
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Maintence would be a bloody nightmare there
No worse than at other fields I can think of that have no maintenance on site.
