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Old 8th Feb 2004, 00:42   #1 (permalink)

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Grass runways in winter

How common is it for people to be able to keep their grass runways usable in winter?

Today I took off from a grass runway ... and landed on a different grass runway ... but was unable to visit the airfield I wanted to because their grass runways were waterlogged and there was too much crosswind for me on their one tarmac runway.

Is the waterlogging a matter of luck, in terms of the ground on which they're built, or is it a matter of a small amount of attention to keep them usable, or is it a matter of vast expense to keep them usable?
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Old 8th Feb 2004, 00:51   #2 (permalink)
 
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It's all down to the position and soil type that controls whether a grass runway is useable in winter.

We spent thousands on drainage and looking after the runway throughout the year, but no matter what, it always became a quagmire. Eventually we gave up and put down a tarmac strip and crossovers. Now we can operate throughout the year.

If you are on top of a hill and have chalky, well drained soil, then you have a chance of keeping the runway useable, but even then it is a battle. If you are at low flat levels with clay soil, then you are stuffed already and you'll just end up wrecking the grass for the summer if carry on by rutting the surface badly and turning it into a mud pit.

One final tip, when the ground is drying out during spring, get the roller onto it before it hardens totally, that way you can get the worst ruts out of the ground before they are set like concrete that are virtually impossible to flatten properly.
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Old 8th Feb 2004, 01:08   #3 (permalink)
 
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Likewise, Redhill have spent thousands on drainage over the past few years, but all runways are currently closed. There has definitely been an improvement, but no guarantees.

I think the worst problem is melting snow that drains so slowly that the soil just soaks it all up.

TG
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Old 8th Feb 2004, 02:55   #4 (permalink)
 
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I probably fly from the only airstrip where, on occasion it's impossible to drive to, but always remains useable no matter what. It's a hilltop site and the water just drains off immediately. the only problem is, once you've taken off at this time of year there is nowhere to go as every other strip in the area is waterlogged!

It's all about location, location, location as the others have said.

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Old 8th Feb 2004, 06:11   #5 (permalink)
 
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Smile White Waltham

So far, touch wood, in 7 years of operating out of White Waltham I have never known the grass runways to be closed.

I believe that during the war when the airfield was a base for the ATA a metal grid was laid beneath the grass to enable heavy bombers to be flown from there and this helps with stopping the grass from becoming too boggy.
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Old 8th Feb 2004, 17:03   #6 (permalink)
 
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I'm no geologist/gardener but I imagine that 80% of the issue is in ground type.

Redhill, which is about 4mi from where I live, is on clay. Thick, sticky, London clay. Holds water really well for growing things. Hold water really well for keeping runways closed.

If you had grass strips on a sandy soil type then I imagine that you'd only need a few hours between showers to allow drainage to occur.

The drainage scheme at Redhill was expensive, time consuming (and has left a couple of ridges that you don't want to hit on touchdown!) but has made an enormous difference to the performance of the ground after rain. Sadly, it means that we now only need a WEEK of dry rather than a MONTH after each burst of the wet stuff!

The runways are closed as I write
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Old 9th Feb 2004, 22:20   #7 (permalink)
 
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Our share aircraft (before my time in the group) used to be based at Netherthorpe. Wonderful, friendly little place. But often waterlogged, so much so that the group decided to move 15 miles to Gamston, where the a/c is hangared and based on a nice long tarmac runway.

Before I joined the Gamston group I used to rent from Netherthorpe. Last winter I had ten consecutive cancellations, half due to the weather on the day and the other half due to waterlogged runways on otherwise perfect flying days.
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Old 10th Feb 2004, 01:28   #8 (permalink)
 
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Location, Location, Location.

SAS is right:

Our strip in darkest Suffolk. is on the top of a hill, sandy/chalky soil and is flyable after a down pour: just fire up after the rain stops and away you go. All year flying, dawn to dusk.

Trouble is , all the grass strips we want to fly to are waterlogged so we end up visiting tarmac and paying landing fees: Arrrrgh!

Only thing that stops us flying is more than 2 inches of snow.

That's not to say we have to be a tad careful with the brakes on landing as the whole business can be a bit skiddy.

And brushing the mud spray off the undersurfaces can be a pain.

Oh and the mud which gets into the gear microswitches and gives us 'two greens' (It's a trike) can be a bit ring tweaking,
hey but what the hell this is G.A.

But waterlogged? Nah, never.

Show ya sometime: we're on the half mil.

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Old 10th Feb 2004, 02:26   #9 (permalink)

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Old 10th Feb 2004, 04:38   #10 (permalink)
 
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It's not just the runway (although it is largely that), but also the aircraft.

You'll fly a taildragger with big tyres from a wet grass runway long after it's closed to tricycle gear aircraft (or 'Reliant Robin aircraft' as my three-year old very appropriately calls them).

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Old 11th Feb 2004, 05:50   #11 (permalink)
 
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GTW

Airstrip closed to smart*rses.



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Old 11th Feb 2004, 06:02   #12 (permalink)
 
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Can I come too!?!

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Old 14th Feb 2004, 21:21   #13 (permalink)
 
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There is also a system called 'Perfo' which is like a rubber mat layed over the grass and then rolled in, I think it would be quite expensive to do a whole runway, but it has been done. It can be found on the web with a quick search. I think the UK stockist is S2TAviation or something similar.
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