Under-seat stowage of cabin bags allowed since when?
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Under-seat stowage of cabin bags allowed since when?
I think it has always been allowed; someone else claims it is only within the last few years.
https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%20789.pdf says
"Under-seat stowages may only be used if the seat is equipped with a
restraint bar and the baggage is of a size to fit entirely under the seat." and is dated 2011. I cannot find any earlier versions
https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%20789.pdf says
"Under-seat stowages may only be used if the seat is equipped with a
restraint bar and the baggage is of a size to fit entirely under the seat." and is dated 2011. I cannot find any earlier versions
It's been at least forever, if not before that (probably goes back to the days of Open hat racks)....
I believe the document mentioned by the OP was issued around the same time the rules came in forbidding the use of under seat space for the storing of small children......
I believe the document mentioned by the OP was issued around the same time the rules came in forbidding the use of under seat space for the storing of small children......
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Caz, don't panic, you just need to put them into a bag and tell them to keep quiet.
Eurowings last week from Cologne......to get everyone in after the overheads had filled up, the cabin staff were telling people to put even the largest allowable hard wheelie-cases under the seat in front. Lot of people spent the flight looking at their knees.
Eurowings last week from Cologne......to get everyone in after the overheads had filled up, the cabin staff were telling people to put even the largest allowable hard wheelie-cases under the seat in front. Lot of people spent the flight looking at their knees.
all aircraft only had hat racks until the 1970's - only for hats coats and maybe a slimline documents folder - no bags nor duty free or souvenir Donkeys from Majorca in the hat racks was allowed
your (small) carry on bag/camera or holdall went under the seat in front of you
all jets and prop jets like VC10 707 DC8/9 CV990A and Britannia Vanguard B737/727 1-11 Trident just had hat racks when first built
in about 1971 when the 747 came on line which had big over head bins Boeing developed a wide-look cabin for 707-727-737's and many airlines took this up to enable hand luggage to go in the new overhead lockers which on narrow bodies were not very big like today
many other airliners like 1-11's retrofitted overhead lockers
folk simply did not carry hand luggage like today, let alone pull along cases - you checked in your suitcase along with everyone else in those days
often the Baggage allowance on some jets was only 33lbs 15 kgs
today the airlines have reaped what they sewed in allowing so much cabin luggage inside the cabin - it causing delays in boarding and is inherently dangerous
beggars belief why it is allowed
your (small) carry on bag/camera or holdall went under the seat in front of you
all jets and prop jets like VC10 707 DC8/9 CV990A and Britannia Vanguard B737/727 1-11 Trident just had hat racks when first built
in about 1971 when the 747 came on line which had big over head bins Boeing developed a wide-look cabin for 707-727-737's and many airlines took this up to enable hand luggage to go in the new overhead lockers which on narrow bodies were not very big like today
many other airliners like 1-11's retrofitted overhead lockers
folk simply did not carry hand luggage like today, let alone pull along cases - you checked in your suitcase along with everyone else in those days
often the Baggage allowance on some jets was only 33lbs 15 kgs
today the airlines have reaped what they sewed in allowing so much cabin luggage inside the cabin - it causing delays in boarding and is inherently dangerous
beggars belief why it is allowed
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I think the accumulation of cabin baggage was never imagined and has built up for a couple of different reasons. No single event allowed it. Without expounding in detail, the expansion of travel, it's purposes and the often short duration of trips - one or two nights for business or a City Break weekend was not imagined.
The competitive advantage of allowing cabin bags at no cost got taken up far more enthusiastically than 'planned' as FR have just admitted. A lengthy series of changes over the last 30 years is now established practise - all aircraft are built to take more cabin bags so it must be OK? Changing back is, effectively, not possible until some other colossal event occurs.
The competitive advantage of allowing cabin bags at no cost got taken up far more enthusiastically than 'planned' as FR have just admitted. A lengthy series of changes over the last 30 years is now established practise - all aircraft are built to take more cabin bags so it must be OK? Changing back is, effectively, not possible until some other colossal event occurs.
i would not want to be on a BA EZY MON or FR narrow body jet and have to get out in a hurry these days when all the pillocks will want to grab their oversized wheelie cases from the overhead bins and go down the slides in an EVAC
BA EZY FR all now moaning (so do the poor crews) about the size of the luggage taken on board, the delays that cause trying to depart the aircraft - its a nonsense frankly
BA EZY FR all now moaning (so do the poor crews) about the size of the luggage taken on board, the delays that cause trying to depart the aircraft - its a nonsense frankly
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Agreed but, as we have said in here before, unless it can be PROVED that lives were lost due to cabin baggage - nothing will change.
there has been lots of previous discussion here on this. It should be easy to set up a simulation: (i) evac a plane with everyone leaving carry-on behind vs (ii) everyone grabbing it; and comparing the time. I've said before that an educational video could be made, showing a burning plane and the above two scenarios. Just a cartoon. In scenario two half the pax get fried, in #1 they all get out OK. If this was shown on every flight, then the mob would WANT to leave their bags behind, and would WANT everyone else to leave their bags behind. But obviously airline bean counters don't want movies showing crashes, bad for business.
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I've seen here in PPRuNe where the poster knew a pax evacuated from the Asiana crash at SFO. The pax related that he had taken a carry-on off the plane with him. But it wasn't his bag, it was another passengers which had fallen from the bins and he was taking it to clear the path to the exit. Apparently bags were all over and was slowing down people getting out.
Now regulators should be looking at this as a priority.
Now regulators should be looking at this as a priority.
What's made things worse is the US cartel's innovation of charging for hold luggage now spreading round the globe. Frankly, and purely in the interests of safety, they should be encouraging as much luggage as possible to go in the hold rather than actively discouraging it.
But that doesn't keep the beancounters happy. You are not a customer, just a cash cow to be bled dry.
But that doesn't keep the beancounters happy. You are not a customer, just a cash cow to be bled dry.
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"Now spreading round the globe"? Old news, FR/U2 et al have been doing this since their inception (well in the case of FR, since their rebirth).
I could be wrong but it came to the US later when some ULCCs adopted it, followed by larger carriers. WN (Southwest) still doesn't do it.
It's only a cartel if they sit down and agree it. Parallel pricing, where they watch each other closely and then match, is normal market behaviour and quite legal.
I could be wrong but it came to the US later when some ULCCs adopted it, followed by larger carriers. WN (Southwest) still doesn't do it.
It's only a cartel if they sit down and agree it. Parallel pricing, where they watch each other closely and then match, is normal market behaviour and quite legal.
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... OK. If this was shown on every flight, then the mob would still pay absolutely no attention ...
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Everything has wheels today. I have seen several rucksack designs that have pull out handle and tiny wheels at the base. The size of airports now mean that wheels are a big seller.
