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You are assuming that the credit card companies pass along the money quickly. They don't, in some cases holding on to it 'for the protection of thier customers' until after travel.
Of course it depends on the credit relationship between the airline and the cc company, but if an airline looks shaky there are holdbacks. These are propriatory agreements which terms rarely see the light of day.
A few years back a Slovak airline went bust after losing much of their cash flow. Not saying this was the reason they went bust, it wasn't, but it likely expedited the event.
Of course it depends on the credit relationship between the airline and the cc company, but if an airline looks shaky there are holdbacks. These are propriatory agreements which terms rarely see the light of day.
A few years back a Slovak airline went bust after losing much of their cash flow. Not saying this was the reason they went bust, it wasn't, but it likely expedited the event.
edi_local, I think you are confusing deportees with refusals. Refusals should not require an escort as it is often just a paperwork issue e.g. no visa where one is required or invalid passport; it is then the responsibility of the airline who brought them in to take them back. Deportees on the other hand don't want to leave the UK and may be fighting not to leave so are being escorted. Then there are extraditions and prisoner transport which would always be escorted. I don't believe all airports and all airlines accept escorted travel but I could be wrong.
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There are two types of deportee's, escorted (DEPA on the manifest) and unescorted (DEPU). As rightly said the escorted are those who need to be baby sat because they can kick off in flight. They could be people who have sent time in jail in the UK and then being sent back to their home country. They used to have only two escortees with them but they have upped them to something like 3 or 5 regardless of what crime or how much they are acting up. It's just the company who looks after the deportee's SOPs. If the deportee is acting up and kicking off they will tale them back to the cells and try again later. If they act up on the aircraft the captain tends to say no get them off. It upsets the paying passengers.
The unescorted on easyjet tend to be visa refusal but they are still detained by the same company as above and brought out to the aircraft under guard who will leave them and leave the aircraft once they have sat them down and hang around until the aircraft pushs back.
The unescorted on easyjet tend to be visa refusal but they are still detained by the same company as above and brought out to the aircraft under guard who will leave them and leave the aircraft once they have sat them down and hang around until the aircraft pushs back.
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Ok boys and girls here are some numbers. easyJet pax configuration on an A320 is 180 and 156 for the A319
Destination Booked Seats Checked in Boarded
Glasgow (320) 184 182 164
Strasbourg (319) 155 153 143
Edinburgh (319) 145 144 136
Malaga (319) 156 155 154
As you can see a few people don't check in and a lot of people either don't turn up at the airport or don't make it to the aircraft
Destination Booked Seats Checked in Boarded
Glasgow (320) 184 182 164
Strasbourg (319) 155 153 143
Edinburgh (319) 145 144 136
Malaga (319) 156 155 154
As you can see a few people don't check in and a lot of people either don't turn up at the airport or don't make it to the aircraft
Interesting that the obvious holiday destination had the least number of no shows and the business destinations clearly have more. Perhaps EZ should consider this more in planning their overbooking systems.
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I'm sure they do - as said above before t'internet and mobile phones busines people would often book a (say) 17:30 departure and a late departure just in case and cash or roll forward the unused ticket
one of the earliest US based yield management systems actually focused on Boston- NYC-Washington for this very reason
these days people checkin the day before to get a seat and then just don't turn up -
one of the earliest US based yield management systems actually focused on Boston- NYC-Washington for this very reason
these days people checkin the day before to get a seat and then just don't turn up -
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An ex-colleage, travelled London-AMS quite often. He always knew what U2 flight he would travel out on, but could catch one of a few return flights in the afternoon.
His solution, book all of them. The total (if booked a reasonable time in advance) was still cheaper than a day return on the network airlines.
He also went after a refund of the taxes paid, until the airlines put up their 'processing fee' to a higher amount than the refund.
His solution, book all of them. The total (if booked a reasonable time in advance) was still cheaper than a day return on the network airlines.
He also went after a refund of the taxes paid, until the airlines put up their 'processing fee' to a higher amount than the refund.
Ryanair long said publicly they never overbooked, at the same time happily overbooking me.
Turning up at the airport to find the office had booked me the wrong way on a flight (
), the return to Ireland was initially described as fully booked. "Never mind, they never all turn up" was said, and I was sold a high-priced one way ticket just as check-in was opening, never mind closing. Probably a handful of empty seats.
Regarding funds paid well in advance, the days of these being to the advantage of the airline are long passed. Ever since it was held that the credit card companies are liable in case the goods are not supplied, they hold on to the money until there is proof they have been, in the case of airlines that the flight operated. A market of intermediate financial organisations termed Payment Processors has sprung up to handle these transactions.
Turning up at the airport to find the office had booked me the wrong way on a flight (
), the return to Ireland was initially described as fully booked. "Never mind, they never all turn up" was said, and I was sold a high-priced one way ticket just as check-in was opening, never mind closing. Probably a handful of empty seats.Regarding funds paid well in advance, the days of these being to the advantage of the airline are long passed. Ever since it was held that the credit card companies are liable in case the goods are not supplied, they hold on to the money until there is proof they have been, in the case of airlines that the flight operated. A market of intermediate financial organisations termed Payment Processors has sprung up to handle these transactions.
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So, whilst the airlines don't have my money - someone has my money and is making money! Big corporate always wins. I'd also think it likely that the airlines get some of the money as, in the days gone by, they took a deposit.
