787 - most uncomfortable long-haul aircraft ever?
Has anyone noticed the remarkable similarity between the layout of BA business class and a slave trader?
I've always assumed (without any evidence) that Airbus, aim to have more seat width than Boeing as a marketing feature. The 320 is wider (noticeably) than a 737, and the A330 and A340 seem to be immune to the kind of seat widths commonly found down the back of the 777 and 787. Among frequent fliers they get recgnition for it.
I think people will pay for quality, but most passengers don't fly often and are blissfully unaware of the difference between the airline offerings. Freqent flyers are well aware of it: my experience is SQ (in business) typically charge £300 more for the A380 flight to London than the 777 flights, for example. And I generally go for the A320 over the 737 if the timings are similar.
I think it is high time minimum seat widths and spacings were required by regulation. The remorseless drive to the bottom is becoming a health risk.
I've always assumed (without any evidence) that Airbus, aim to have more seat width than Boeing as a marketing feature. The 320 is wider (noticeably) than a 737, and the A330 and A340 seem to be immune to the kind of seat widths commonly found down the back of the 777 and 787. Among frequent fliers they get recgnition for it.
I think people will pay for quality, but most passengers don't fly often and are blissfully unaware of the difference between the airline offerings. Freqent flyers are well aware of it: my experience is SQ (in business) typically charge £300 more for the A380 flight to London than the 777 flights, for example. And I generally go for the A320 over the 737 if the timings are similar.
I think it is high time minimum seat widths and spacings were required by regulation. The remorseless drive to the bottom is becoming a health risk.
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and the A330 and A340 seem to be immune to the kind of seat widths commonly found down the back of the 777 and 787.
I believe they are now 'upgrading' their A333s to nine-abreast as well but fear not, this will have 'no impact on the customer experience'. How do executives look people in the eye and lie like that?
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/business/ai...oney-1.2991951
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I believe Boieng's widebody aircraft width has been driven by the size of the standard cargo containors. Two LD3 containers fit nicely side by side in the B747, 767, 777 and (I think) the 787.
ExXB,
I am not sure that a 767 is able to carry two containers (at least LD46s). I vaguely remember that from an Airbus brochure back in the early 1990's (with a nice drawing) but for the time is inaccessible.
Stand to be corrected of course.
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I am not sure that a 767 is able to carry two containers (at least LD46s). I vaguely remember that from an Airbus brochure back in the early 1990's (with a nice drawing) but for the time is inaccessible.
Stand to be corrected of course.
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Thans for the clarification.
I'll rephrase my point to be that fusalage width, which affects cabin width and seat density, is driven by the size of the baggage/cargo containers on the lower deck.
I'll rephrase my point to be that fusalage width, which affects cabin width and seat density, is driven by the size of the baggage/cargo containers on the lower deck.
I'll rephrase my point to be that fuselage width, which affects cabin width and seat density, is driven by the size of the baggage/cargo containers on the lower deck.
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Ah yes, the B77W (-300ER)
Business 36 flat bed seats with 180 degrees recline
Premium Economy 24 standard seats with 8 recline
Economy 398 standard seats with 6 recline
458 seats ...
Business 36 flat bed seats with 180 degrees recline
Premium Economy 24 standard seats with 8 recline
Economy 398 standard seats with 6 recline
458 seats ...
DaveReidUK, thanks for correcting the post about the containers. I meant LD3 - the LD3-46 is for the A320 family.
By the way when does container baggage handling was first used?
I flew on a 757 of well known charter operator and about a year later I flew on a C-130H. The bench seats of the C-130 were much more comfortable.
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By the way when does container baggage handling was first used?
I flew on a 757 of well known charter operator and about a year later I flew on a C-130H. The bench seats of the C-130 were much more comfortable.
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I've been told that AC have 777's with over 400 seats on, they must be in with a shout
Though AFAIK, nobody actually operates that configuration ...
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The most interesting facet of the seat map helpfully posted by ExXB is the number of toilets ... Even though the two right in the tail will be double units, the ratio to Pax is terrible. Remind me not to travel in the 77W in Y. 
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I've seen a layout published by Boeing for the 777-300 with 550 seats (the maximum certificated capacity) at 30" pitch.
They don't want to take much of a cut below the 580 seats they have on the big old quad, so I think we can all guess at their preferred layout.
Correction to self: currently 582 seats including a business cabin!
http://www.seatmaestro.com/airplanes...oeing-747.html
Edit2: current 777 record holder is ANA with 525 seats in the domestic configuration. 19.3 grams of CO2 per seat-km, they say, compared to 22 for their DHC-8-300!
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