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LeadSled 22nd Mar 2011 07:05

Policy is not law – AAT buckets CASA decision
 
Caper Pty Ltd T'a Direct Air Charter and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2011] AATA 181 (21 March 2011)

Folks,
Worth a very careful read. This leaves CASA 2009 (amended 2010) policy on Charter v. RPT rather in tatters.
"Policy" is not the law, as the old CAA found out the hard way, just ask Ron Cooper. But there is no corporate memory in CASA, hardly a revelation.
Tootle pip!!

Kharon 22nd Mar 2011 07:45

And your Mama!.
 
Well as the man said, in the Senate. It's a good example of "a bad law", translated "as you like it". Unpopular decision to shut down 50 operators, now it seems "his" interpretation is also illegal.

Finally, balls in the AAT, what next, contrition from CASA.

Baww, haaww haww!!. :ugh:

Selah.

Torres 22nd Mar 2011 13:51

Policy is not law – AAT buckets CASA decision
 
In the AviationAdvertiser Paul Phelan writes:

Policy is not law – AAT buckets CASA decision


An Administrative Appeals Tribunal decision yesterday [March 21] declared a long-disputed CASA policy to be “unlawful,” raising questions over a host of past decisions and the CASA policies on which they were based.

The applicant in the AAT was Caper Pty Ltd, trading as Direct Air Charter, represented by aviation law specialists Maitland lawyers, with AAT Senior Member Egon Fice presiding.

In May 2010 CASA had served a “show cause notice” of its intent to suspend or cancel the company’s AOC saying it had reason to believe the operator was conducting regular public transport (RPT) operations between Darwin and Bathurst Island, which CASA said its AOC did not authorise.

The legal definition of the differences between charter and RPT, and the confusion surrounding the issue, have been the greatest single source of disputation between regulator and industry for over 25 years, and various interpretations have triggered numerous regulatory forays that resulted in the closure of aviation businesses.

Direct Air Charter is a general aviation operator headquartered in Melbourne, with bases and operations in Western Australia and the Northern Territory; and the dispute surrounded its air charter contract with tour operator Australian Adventure Tours (coincidentally AAT), which CASA considered constituted RPT flights.

On 7 September 2010 the Company had applied to the AAT to reverse CASA’s decision and to determine that the conditions on Caper’s Air Operators Certificate, authorising the Bathurst Island flights, should remain unaltered.

The automatic stay provisions set out in s 31A of the Act then automatically applied, and the decision was stayed for 90 days or for “such a period as the Tribunal might order.”

A month later, the Tribunal ordered that the decision be stayed until the application was heard or determined, or until further order of the Tribunal.

In a cogent, detailed and comprehensive analysis, Senior Member Fice’s decision examines the history and details of the contract between the parties, the concept of the “classification of operations,” witness statements, CASA policy documents, relevant legislation and case law reaching back to the 1920s, archived air accident enquiries, the legal language and even the grammar and dictionary definitions in the relevant Act and Regulations, Aussie Adventure Holidays’ publicity material, reports from a CASA investigator who flew on one of the tourist flights, and the Tribunal’s own interpretations of the spirit and intent of the law.

The Tribunal noted:

“CASA has published what is described as Regulatory Policy regarding the classification and regulation of closed charter operations under CAR 206(1)(b)(ii). That policy document is signed by Mr John F McCormick, who is the Director of Aviation Safety. It was issued in July 2009 and reviewed in July 2010. It is properly described as Departmental Policy as distinct from Ministerial Policy. In its reasons for making the policy, CASA has indicated that the current distinction between charter and RPT will soon disappear and be replaced by one category, Passenger Transport. However, this has not yet occurred. The policy document purports to provide clear guidance on the classification of operations as closed charter or RPT and the limitations and condition which may necessarily be imposed on certain kinds of closed charter operations.”

On February 25, Mr McCormick told a Senate Committee that CASA was cracking down on the practice of ‘borrowing AOCs and using other people’s activities:’

“We ….. have CAR 206, which is about ‘interposed entities’ – borrowing AOCs and using other people’s activities. That has resulted in quite a few operators who no longer can offer flights on a charter basis when in reality they were offering them on a schedule at a fixed fee, sometimes through a travel agent, and when in reality they were avoiding the sort of oversight they would get if they were regular public transport.

“We have gone out of our way to stamp that out. We have seen very good results on that. It has not been the world’s most popular program as you can imagine, but it is something we should have done, and [CAR 206] has been recognised as bad law for some 26 years.”

The Tribunal’s comments effectively confirm Mr McCormick’s assessment of CAR 206 as “bad law,” but are unflattering about CASA’s interpretation of that law as expressed in the policy document:

“What appears from CASA’s analysis of CAR 206(1)(b)(ii) is that unless the persons purportedly chartering an aircraft have some identifiable and close relationship, although that relationship may or may not be relevant for the purposes of characterising the charter, if the flight is conducted in accordance with fixed schedules and between fixed terminals, it is an RPT operation. That, in an unexplained way, is said to reduce the level of safety. Quite plainly, this makes no sense. Whether the passengers who fly on these aircraft have some pre-existing relationship makes no difference to the safety of that operation. If CASA’s concern is with the numbers of passengers carried or the frequency of flights, it can impose conditions on an AOC under s 28BB of the Act.”

Elsewhere he states:

“In my respectful opinion, CASA’s Regulatory Policy dealing with the classification and regulation of closed charter operations under CAR 206(1)(b)(ii) issued in July 2009 is simply incorrect and, accordingly, unlawful. It has relied on the wording used in Air Navigation Regulation 191(c) which uses words not found in CAR 206(1)(b)(ii). No reference is made in that policy document to the change in the wording or the reasons for that change. In fact, in support of the policy, CASA has quoted from cases that have dealt with Air Navigation Regulation 191. I decline to follow it.”

The Tribunal concluded:

“I find that the decision made by CASA on 7 September 2010 to cancel one of the authorisations contained in Caper’s AOC in respect of its operations between Darwin and Bathurst Island for the purpose of conducting the Tiwi Islands tours was incorrect. I set aside that decision and instead determine that the conditions on Caper’s AOC should remain unaltered. Caper should be permitted to continue with its charter operations between Darwin and Bathurst Island.”

A number of aviation businesses whose operations have been “stamped out” by regulatory policy, say they are now reconsidering their positions.
The full AAT Decision is published HERE and is a worthy insight into the appalling and incompetent aviation regulatory process that has existed in Australia for many years.

This is a landmark decision in clarifying the definition of Regular Public Transport in Australia and defining CASA's power to regulate by Policy rather than Regulation and brings into question CASA's repetitious use of precedents (e.g. Seaview and Coral Sea Air) and incorrect internal policy interpretations of it's own regulations.

A significant number of Australian aviation operators have been forced out of business by CASA over the past 23 years, by "bad law", very badly interpreted and administered.

I am sure this situation would not have occurred had CASA efficiently and promptly provided new, simple, concise Regulations as soon as possible after 1988, rather than procrastinating for the past 23 years!

I suspect a number of operators forced out of business by CASA may now be considering their legal options.

thorn bird 22nd Mar 2011 22:45

What price the win??
 
The Skull will not be happy with this decision. How dare some "Judge Judy" court, who are supposed to follow the CASA line, question his warped vision of how aviation is to work in Australia.
His inflated ego has taken a severe battering, the reprisals I fear will be
severe.
If, as reported else where on these forums our "National Carrier" has difficulty in complying with the Reg's, what hope a impoverished GA outfit?
There will be something somewhere they can ping them for, and if not, there is always the "Lets make it up" scenario, after all they are in the end unaccountable.
I suspect these poor individuals are in for a torrid time, "Let the audits begin".
Strange that QF can get away with operating over weight, which would result in a "Show cause" to anyone else? Thread drift sorry folks.

Air Ace 22nd Mar 2011 23:31

The interesting aspect is that the Qantas charters over Antarctica were not lawful under CASA's interpretation of CAR206 and Policy, but are now lawful in accordance with the AAT Decision.

What is the difference between the Qantas charters over Antarctica being sold on an individual seat basis via an interposed entity being a travel agency, and Direct Air's tourist flights between Darwin and Bathurst Island with seats sold on an individual basis via the tourist operator interposed entity?

As far as I can see, the only difference is one of size, muscle and financial and legal resources?

swh 23rd Mar 2011 00:09


Originally Posted by thorn bird
Strange that QF can get away with operating over weight, which would result in a "Show cause" to anyone else? Thread drift sorry folks.

By voluntarily reporting the matter to the ATSB, CASA would find it very difficult to have any evidence it can use to prosecute with.


Originally Posted by Air Ace
As far as I can see, the only difference is one of size, muscle and financial and legal resources?

And the minor point that the QF AOC permits aerial work, charter, and RPT. QF also has their own travel agency.

Air Ace 23rd Mar 2011 00:59


And the minor point that the QF AOC permits aerial work, charter, and RPT. QF also has their own travel agency.
Your thinking is along similar lines as CASA. Whether QF holds an AOC authorising RPT services is irrelevant. The Qantas flight over Antarctica can not be RPT and must therefore be classified as air charter. CASA's policy in the past, predicated on their incorrect interpretation of CAR206, has been that individual seats on an air charter service can not be sold via an interposed entity. The AAT decision now determins that individual seats may be sold on an air charter, via an interposed entity, where there is a common interest amongst those travelling.

Read the AAT decision.

dhavillandpilot 23rd Mar 2011 01:36

This decision is probably the best news for the Industry in a number of years.

Companies such as Air Crusiing, Heron Airlines, Air Adventure, Dick Lang etc etc etc who have been operating for years can now get on with doing what the Australian Tourist Industry needs - providing bussiness for the thousands of small operators (motelliers, ground tour suppliers etc) that rely upon them to provide an income in what is a very sparse economic situation.

For example take Innamincka - Dick Lang operates in there virtually every week providing much needed dollars to the town.

Marree - both Heron Airlines and Air Adventure operate in there weekly and again provide regular income to the town.

Then you go to someone like Captains Choice, who operate overseas, using Qantas for a number of years and now competing against Air Cruising with Dash 8's. I wonder whether CASA would proceed against them??? The twist here is that Captains Choice is a Qantas Company in disguise.

Strange how CASA's mind goes after the weak, certainly not the strong.

Creampuff 23rd Mar 2011 01:52

I do laugh at the fact that the usual suspects cite the AAT as an authoritative source when it makes a decision with which the usual suspects agree, and dismiss it as unauthoritative when it makes decisions with which they disagree.

The word 'hypocrisy' springs to mind, for some reason.

It's academic, of course. Any decade now, CASA will action the 15 year old 'urgent' recommendation, in respect of CAR 206, made by Commissioer Staunton in the Seaview Inquiry.

Torres 23rd Mar 2011 02:37

Creamie. I don't recall an AAT decision in an aviation matter with which I disagree? Some decisions may be a tad subjective, but what would you expect with the self professed "bad law" that is our current CAR's?


The word 'hypocrisy' springs to mind, for some reason.
Yo're not unique. Most of us get the same thoughts in relation to CASA.

Creampuff 23rd Mar 2011 02:46

I must have misinterpreted your comments on this one: Coral Sea Airlines Pty Ltd and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [1999] AATA 329 (17 March 1999))

aroa 23rd Mar 2011 02:48

Next punch....
 
As someone who has been done over by Reg 206 (iv)..photography and 27(d)
..allowing an aeroplane to be used for a commercial purpose(photog), maybe now is the time to go for an AAT decision on the legality or otherwise of these issues, that are not "unsafe" but 'commercial'

The CAA Act 1988 says that CASA is not commercial regulator.. it is only a safety regulator. That has been stated on numerous occassions by various Ministers.

So, that is Government Policy. A meaning of the Act, no less.
The regs, upchucked by the wunderkind of OLC/ LSD and other parties, are the controlling policies that CASA wants.

I believe they are illegal, unconstitutional? and they certainly breach the common civil rights of photography, and deny me the right to earn a living in my chosen profession.

Time to rattle some chains...

Jack Ranga 23rd Mar 2011 03:07

The Screaming Skull........:D

One hopes that he is subject to the same type of 'justice' that was dished out all those years ago :ok:

Torres 23rd Mar 2011 04:34


I must have misinterpreted your comments on this one: Coral Sea Airlines Pty Ltd and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [1999] AATA 329 (17 March 1999))
Not at all Creamie. You really do missunderstand me! :{

There were a number of issues considered by Deputy President Dr. Gerber in that matter, including the crash of Shrike VH-YJT; alleged Failure to Record Defects on Maintenance Releases; Overloading of Aircraft; Pilot Experience and Competence; and Personnel and Management Structure; most of which are more than adequate justification in CASA's original decision to suspend the operator's AOC. The alleged RPT operations is not in my opinion, necessary to consider in justifying the decision by CASA and supported by the AAT, in revoking the operator's AOC.

That Staunton supported your view on CAR206 and Fice supports my view of CAR206 is merely indicitive of an appallingly drafted Regulation that lacks the definitions necessary to be intelligently and lawfully interpreted - as Staunton confirmed in his urgent recommendation 15 years ago to review and revise the classification of operations.

I don't disagree that RPT operations should be safely regulated but the mumbo jumbo of CAR206 fails to achieve that objective, to which by your comments you obviously agree.

swh 23rd Mar 2011 07:00


Originally Posted by Air Ace
Your thinking is along similar lines as CASA. Whether QF holds an AOC authorising RPT services is irrelevant.

It is relevant, what CASA wants is that where a passenger buys space on an aircraft, they are afforded a common safety standard. This will eventually come into play when the new Passenger Transport classification comes into play.

I think CASA was on the right track with the publication of policy CEO-PN007-2009, however I think a number of the paragraphs fail to deliver (e.g. para 12 in my view is bad policy). The AAT decision I think is a very sensible outcome. Many mining charters do not fit the test used in para 12, as often the mine operator will charter an aircraft, however the passenger list may not only include workers from the mine, independent contractors, and other service providers (i.e. a train driver working for another company), and even government employees. However generally a lot of these charter operators also have a RPT AOC.

I think CASA were trying to clarify the standard of AOC (i.e. does the operator have a RPT AOC) that needs to be in place where regular charters (even if they are not an RPT service) are in place that the public can buy individual seats on. The RPT AOC is the highest standard AOC an operator can gain in Australia.

Also we also need to keep in mind that in cases such as these, the initial complaint may have come from industry. This would not be the first time in history where a competing operator may have made a complaint to CASA alleging that another operator is conducting operations not permitted by their AOC, knowing full well they stand to gain financially if they are shutdown by CASA. CASA is then in a position where they are dammed if they do investigate, and dammed if they do not, this abuse by industry to use the regulator for business gain I think should be legislated against.

I am not in favour of the "sting" performed, it does nothing but to promote distrust between the operator and the regulator. A more sensible way to promote safety is for the operator to work with the operator to develop the points outlined in paragraph 20 of policy CEO-PN007-2009.

Like check and training should have a small emphasis on the checking, and a larger emphasis on training, as a regulator they should have a small emphasis on enforcement (checking) and a large emphasis on safety promotion (training).

Torres 23rd Mar 2011 12:02

CAR206 is not about passenger safety and never was. That is the error CASA have been making for many years.

It is about the authorisation, classification and regulation of commercial flying operations.

Indeed, that section of the ANRs from which CAR206 originated (ANR190 to 203 from memory?), deals entirely with classification of operations, particularly in reference to the previous two airline agreement.

CAR206(1)(c):

....the purpose of transporting persons generally, or transporting cargo for persons generally, for hire or reward in accordance with fixed schedules to and from fixed terminals over specific routes with or without intermediate stopping places between terminals.
If CAR206 was solely about passenger safety, why then does is specifically include "....transporting cargo for persons generally"?

I wonder how many scheduled air freight operators, from Bank Runners to major trunk route cargo operators, hold an AOC authorising cargo only RPT services - and if not, why has CASA not pursued those operators for conducting scheduled cargo services which are not authorised by their AOC? :E

thorn bird 23rd Mar 2011 12:09

I am not in favour of the "sting" performed, it does nothing but to promote distrust between the operator and the regulator.


Distrust!!!..good grief where are you from??. Anyone who talks to CASA without their lawyer present is a fool. CASA is now so endemically corrupt
that any trust has long gone. Until CASA's charter is changed to reflect, as the FAA's does, that its decisions MUST consider the economic impact and well being of the industry it supposedly regulates then there will continue to be a total disconnect between the industry and the regulator.
These are not people with "Probity" we are dealing with, they are misfits and incompetents.

TBM-Legend 23rd Mar 2011 14:37

Mr Egon Fice is a former RAAF Mirage pilot. Smart cookie....

swh 23rd Mar 2011 15:30


Originally Posted by Torres
CAR206 is not about passenger safety and never was.

It was to define the difference between commercial (RPT, charter, aerial work) and private operations. That was poorly drafted from day 1, it is at odds with their primary role which is safety management. The test should have never had been “commercial” or “hire or reward” which gives us the mess we have today where they are required to use that test, rather than an end user test, i.e. what level of safety would the end user expect, hence the push to have one passenger transport standard to cover todays “charter and RPT”.

CASA do not like the situation as much as the industry does, they "do not", and "cannot" regulate "commercial activities", that is not their role, hence the push for part 135 and 121. Under the new classifications, part 135 will be for small aircraft, and 121 for large aircraft. Under parts 121 and 135 and passenger transport be it schedule or non-schedule should have the same level of safety if it has be publically advertised or arranged by, or at the request of, others. That should terminate the open/closed charter and RPT commercial/non-commercial debate for good.

The sooner the new parts come into play the better, and the sooner all reference to "commercial" is removed from legalisation CASA administers the better. I would even like to see the SPL, PPL, CPL, and ATPL to be renamed to get industry stop thinking along “private”, “commercial”, or “non-commercial” lines.


Originally Posted by thorn bird
Distrust!!!..good grief where are you from??. Anyone who talks to CASA without their lawyer present is a fool. CASA is now so endemically corrupt that any trust has long gone.

I am in industry, and when I was required by my position to talk with CASA, be it an AOC variation, audit, or flight test, I never had needed to have a "lawyer present", nor do I consider myself a fool. I have always had a good working relationship with them. At the same time I always made an effort to know the regulatory environment that I was working in, I had always been proactive, rather than reactive.

On two occasions I have been invited in for a cuppa tea and bikkies, both times the format of the formal meeting was providing information and education, we went back and amended the paperwork and/or procedures, they were happy. Both times we were obviously “dobbed in” by our competitors.

No further action taken. I am obviously from the other end of industry that does not get any press, where we far exceeded the minimum standards in the legislation, and CASA was not seen as the “enemy”.

CASA were complete gentlemen compared with ruthless independent industry auditors employed by our clients.

Sunfish 23rd Mar 2011 21:55

What appears to be totally missing in relationships between CASA and operators, by all accounts, is one essential ingredient that I have been trying to remember, but has just only sunk in.

That is the concept of Good Faith:


Good faith, or in Latin bona fides (bona fide means "in good faith"), is sincere, honest intention (even if producing unfortunate results) or belief. In law, it is the mental and moral state of honesty, conviction as to the truth or falsehood of a proposition or body of opinion, or as to the rectitude or depravity of a line of conduct. This concept is important in law, especially equitable matters.[1][2]

In contemporary English, "bona fides" is sometimes used as a synonym for credentials, background, or documentation of a person's identity. "Show me your bona fides" can mean: Why should I trust you (your good faith in this matter)? Tell me who you are. In this sense, the phrase is sometimes used in job advertisements, and should not be confused with the bona fide occupational qualifications or the employer's good faith effort, as described below.[3]
I think adherence to this concept is missing from the actions of some operators and, if allegations are true, also from the actions of some people in CASA.

For example, if the allegations made by Butson in the matter of Polar Aviation are true, then the actions taken against Butson do not seem to me to have been taken in good faith.

Similarly the actions in support of safety, of the operator whose AOC was cancelled in Sydney after a crash, as revealed by the AAT, do not seem to have been in good faith attempts to comply with regulation either.


If "Good Faith" is missing in relationships between regulated and regulators then God help all of us, because at some stage this lack of good faith is going to become known to the general public and then all of us, including CASA will suffer accordingly.

It was Thorn birds post that finally made me remember this little concept:


Distrust!!!..good grief where are you from??. Anyone who talks to CASA without their lawyer present is a fool. CASA is now so endemically corrupt that any trust has long gone. Until CASA's charter is changed to reflect, as the FAA's does, that its decisions MUST consider the economic impact and well being of the industry it supposedly regulates then there will continue to be a total disconnect between the industry and the regulator.
These are not people with "Probity" we are dealing with, they are misfits and incompetents.

While my own very limited dealings with CASA have always been satisfactory, I have yet to meet anyone in Aviation who has ever referred me to CASA as a source of advice, nor who have had a good word to say about them. While that is "negative evidence" it leaves open the possibility that CASA has a problem.

Furthermore, you don't get to jettison "Good Faith" on the grounds of "Safety" and protecting the general public. Anyone who thinks about the matter will quickly realise that a lack of good faith is counter-productive to safety, as I am sadly concerned that the public is going to learn the hard way.


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