TIBA

[rioncentu]

Anyone know anything about this? I have never heard of it. And 30 odd lines of Notams didn't use the term either.

YBRK now has coral approach doing the job that the tower used to do admirably. Seems to have worked fine so far.

Yesterday approach needs a 30 minute break so turns the whole Class D into RESTRICTED AIRSPACE.

This is with a Notam issued 4 hours before the event and whcih I arrived at after a 3 hour flight to be told "we are closed"

Had to call a phone number in flight to get a clearance into the new Restricted Area and use TIBA procedures.

Nothing like dumping things on a pilot.

Is this a total breakdown of service?

Interested in thoughts on this. I fly a bit and never came across this before.

ATC after the event called me to explain and were very nice about it. But strange. Airlines apparently refused to allow it become a CTAF so it becomes retricted. WTF

[havick]

Australia is now as worse than South America or Africa for ATC services.

[sagan]

Originally Posted by rioncentu

Is this a total breakdown of service?

Yes it is a breakdown of service. 'World's best practice ATC'

Effing joke as is effing CAsA. Pathetic

[zanzibar]

Yes it is a breakdown of service. 'World's best practice ATC'

Effing joke as is effing CAsA. Pathetic

I think you'll find ATC is Airservices Australia, not otherwise.

[tossbag]

Stop it, ASA spent millions of dollars coming up with Guardians of the Sky, show a little respect.

[Lead Balloon]

Originally Posted by zanzibar

I think you'll find ATC is Airservices Australia, not otherwise.

I think you’ll find sagan was drawing a comparison between Airservices Australia and CASA. That’s because airspace ‘management’ in Australia is now a series of episodes of The Keystone Cops, in which both CASA and Airservices have starring roles.

[puff]

So tonight, Saturday

We have TIBA NOTAMs in place for
YBBB FIR
SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: ARMIDALE, CESSNOCK, CESSNOCK/SYDNEY CAP, WERRIS, MUDGEE A, B, C SY/DME, D, AND MUDGEE/SYDNEY CAP.
SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECT ARE: ​​​​​​CAIRNS APPROACH
​​​​​​SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'GRAFTON A, B, C, D, E', 'GWYDIR A, B', 'BENDEMEER', 'NEWELL A, B, C, D', 'SANDON A, B'.
​​​​​​SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'INVERELL A, B, C'.
​​​​​​SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'GOLD COAST A, B, C, D, E, F'.
​​​​​​SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'DARWIN CONTROL ZONE' (C), 'DARWIN CTA C1', 'DARWIN CTA C2', 'DARWIN CTA C3', AND 'DARWIN CTA C4' (NOT ABV A085) (ONGOING TO JANUARY!!!!!) - that is RAAF not AsA.
YBSU tower - closing 1 hour 40 mins early.
YMMM FIR
SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'MALLEE A, B, AND C'.
SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'TEMORA A AND B'.
​​​​​​DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'DUBBO A AND B'.
​​​​​​DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'TASMANIA', 'HUON A, B AND C'.
​​​​​​SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'BATHURST A, B, C, D AND E'. (ALSO 'KATOOMBA A AND B' FL180 AND BLW)

[Lead Balloon]

But everything’s fine. No issue of disruption or safety. Move on, nothing to see here.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Is this similar to 'boiling a frog'?

[PoppaJo]

Whoever came up with the idea to send CNS APP to Brisbane should be sacked.

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

Too late, they already took redundancy.

[10JQKA]

Will be interesting to see if these issues are covered at Senate Estimates today (AsA scheduled 1pm ACT time).
Given CASA were excused from their slot last Friday, I wouldn't hold my breath. It's not like anything at all is happening in the aviation industry, nothing to see here !

update-released from hearings

[PiperCameron]

I found this Airservices doc interesting reading: https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...ts-cp-0085.pdf
1. ATC can implement a TRA anywhere with only ten minutes warning!! - (Section 2.9)
2. There's an entire appendix full of NOTAM templates containing the words "DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS" ready to go - (Appendix A)

[DeltaT]

If I remember correctly the origin of TIBA came from 'Sept 11' where aircraft found they could not continue to USA due to closed airspace.

[Ollie Onion]

Pretty sure TIBA was pretty common around Africa when I was flying there in the late 90’s or certainly a version of it. Kind of appropriate a procedure for the 3rd world is being adopted by OZ.

[Lead Balloon]

^^^THIS^^^

[noclue]

“Airlines apparently refused to allow it become a CTAF so it becomes retricted.”

I don’t understand this. Airlines still operate to ctafs every day-the extra workload tiba creates for any pilot is a pain. If ctafs are so unsafe the airlines shouldn’t be flying to them, but they wouldn’t admit that, they’d just insist a convoluted “restricted” airspace be used where possible. 🤷‍♂️

[Lead Balloon]

^^^THIS^^^^

And who knew that airlines get a veto over airspace declarations!

[alphacentauri]

...and none of this happens without the blessing of the mighty OAR.

The OAR has a valid risk methodology to deal with these changes in airspace right? right?.........

[PiperCameron]

Originally Posted by alphacentauri

...and none of this happens without the blessing of the mighty OAR.

The OAR has a valid risk methodology to deal with these changes in airspace right? right?.........

Who?!? Oh, that tiny office down the end of the hall? Didn't even notice they were there.