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Old 15th Nov 2017, 00:14   #61 (permalink)
 
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We can moan all we like, cadets are here to stay, until maybe we have a serious accident caused by a “low hour” pilot, but who knows.

I now pity them, most will retire with 30k hours in an airbus, with riveting stories of diverting 50nm right of track due weather or the time they nailed that vor in the sim.
Most of us will get our dream airline/corporate/aviation gig in the end.
To the guys busting their @ss in a c210 in Arnhem Land, enjoy it, you will experience things your friends back home in Melbourne will never believe. I know I miss the top end already
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 05:44   #62 (permalink)
 
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What makes you say this LeadSled?
Mikewell,
In the industry experience over a very long time.
Every employer, from the smallest to the largest, looks for more than just a license and a log book.
I am bound to comment, black belt seems to have a very balanced personality, a chip on both shoulders.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 09:44   #63 (permalink)
 
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I'm not usually one for character bashing but this is an example of a cadet who got selected for the first Virgin Australia one a few years back. If this isn't an example of a silver spooner I don't know what is. If you look at one of her comments in a video on her youtube channel you can see she clearly thinks cabin crew members are beneath her as well.

I think everyone here would agree that a character like this wouldn't survive a day in GA.

https://www.instagram.com/toriperrow/?hl=en

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Old 15th Nov 2017, 10:36   #64 (permalink)
 
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Probably not fair to single out a person by name, I think it is more of a generational issue than anything. I remember seeing news articles a while back regaling the lavish Instagram account of a 'Qantas pilot' (actually flying a Dash) which involved a lot of standing around in uniform armed with a selfie stick.

I don't think there is much doubt there would be people more interested in it as a career these days for the potential social media following, rather than a long-held love of flying. A key point being most of their photos are of themselves, rather than the views outside. But then again, there have probably always been people flying for the 'look at me' aspect of it, it is just more prevalent now in the age of Instagram.

Though I guess you could probably earn a lot more being an Instagram celebrity than flying a turboprop...
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 10:48   #65 (permalink)
 
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Jesus h Christ.
Imagine the look on her face if she was informed that as part of her training, we’ll be sending you to groote for 6 months.
Unfortunately there are quite a few cadets like this.
She’s about 4 selfies away from being Maria the pilot.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 11:37   #66 (permalink)
 
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And airlines access the applicants ego maturity!!!
How can one possible fly if they don’t drive a bmw and wear LV.
Embarrassing
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 13:00   #67 (permalink)
 
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I've met a lot of "girly girls" flying in GA and airlines. All of them wonderful pilots, who put a lot of "blokey" male pilots to shame. So who cares if this girl has an instagram account in which she shares fashion tips and the like? I'm sure she's a great operator. Probably better to go flying with than a lot of the whingers on here. If you want to talk about "ego maturity" look at those who perform a disingenuous character assassination on an anonymous Internet forum.

There's pilots flying in GA or the military or who entered an airline through those paths who have selfie loaded instagram accounts as well. Do we bash them too or is that just reserved for cadets?

Whether you like it or not social media is a big part of marketing and recruitment these days. No doubt employers see it as method of promotion and spreading positive role models.

At the end of the day I think the naysayers here just hate em cos they ain't em....
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 21:04   #68 (permalink)
 
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What did GA teach me to help being an airline pilot? (Could be a thread in its own). Do I wash aeroplanes now? No. Do I spend all day photocopying? No. Do I get put in the position of doing something that requires a very liberal interpretation of the rules daily? No. Am I being shafted by my employer whilst having to say thank you? Probably yes but you can’t win them all.

I agree that I had a ball in GA, but it had little to do with airline flying. If you can’t fly an aeroplane after 200 hrs then 5 years in GA won’t help.
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[QUOTE= If you can’t fly an aeroplane after 200 hrs then 5 years in GA won’t help.[/QUOTE]

Possibly the most stupid thing i’ve ever heard.

I know plenty of guys and girls that struggled big time through flying school, but they had drive.
A few years in ga and then they were “regional material”.
No way they would have been up front after initial training.

But if that is the case as you think, let’s call up all airlines and tell them their minimums can be a bare cpl from now on.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 23:14   #70 (permalink)
 
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No way they would have been up front after initial training.

But if that is the case as you think, let’s call up all airlines and tell them their minimums can be a bare cpl from now on.
You might want to check the actual minimums of actual Australian airlines because almost all only require a CPL.. All of them apart from Tigerair have had cadet programs running at one stage or another.

A proper cadet training program is designed specifically to put a trainee in the right hand seat of a jet or turboprop after initial training. This isn't like a typical flying school, it is more structured and training to a more specific standard and the end product will be different. If you aren't up to scratch during the course you won't get many opportunities to continue, you'll get shown the door.

In fact it wouldn't be uncommon for a trainee who struggles on a cadetship, but who has enthusiasm and desire to be told to do a couple of years in GA and then to reapply direct entry. But for the majority of cadet graduates they successfully move into their airlines after training, and have long careers.

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Old 16th Nov 2017, 01:25   #71 (permalink)
 
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What exactly are your credentials black belt? I'm hearing a lot of the same talk over and over, but lacking any real substantial thoughts.

I'm assuming you're either an applicant who didn't make it through stage 1, or someone who did the hard yards in GA only to be found ineligible due to your horrific attitude towards others?
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 01:43   #72 (permalink)
 
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Hahahahaha. Your in Melbourne. You must be a banana eater, with the rest of the kindergarten kids
You're right I'm in Melbourne, I made the decision a couple of years back to move here and have a go at achieving something.

My late grandfather introduced me to aviation, being a bush pilot I received plenty of advice and encouragement from him.

Im now studying the bachelor of aviation with Swinburne, as a high school drop out without the bank of mummy and daddy it's been quite a challenge to make it this far.

Now you know a bit about me, how about you reveal exactly what makes you qualified to judge others' career paths?

There have been a hell of a lot more accidents caused by pilots with an attitude like yours than any cadet.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 01:48   #73 (permalink)
 
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I’m very happy with my credentials thanks black belt. Are you saying when you finished your CPL your weren’t able to fly properly? I’d be asking for my money back if I was you.

I know when I was instructing I would not put a student up for a CPL test unless I was 100 % sure he was ready for the aviation world beyond. That is because most GA operators I’ve dealt with won’t spend time training, they want a finished product. Will your skills get better of course they will but, you should be able to handle whatever comes your way as soon as you have that licence.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 02:12   #74 (permalink)
 
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Don't feed blackbelt guys, he's an obvious troll.
All his posts on this thread are just attacking cadets/younger pilots. Sounds like a jealous failure.
When you're trying to respond rationally to a someone who calls you a "banana eater" simply because of the city you come from you're not dealing with a legitimate user.
Let's just keep this thread to actual questions about applications for the cadetship huh?



No point in addressing Black Belt. He left the building!

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Old 16th Nov 2017, 03:55   #75 (permalink)
 
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I'm a bit late to the party here, friends, but what the shuddering f&@$ is this??
Only have a basic understanding of Instathingy, but this is the most narcissistic crap I've ever seen. I thought the hurdle these days in getting into an airline was jumping the hoops to get past the HR goons - there's no way this individual could have hidden her true nature from them - is this what an airline is after? I'm seriously flabbergasted at this pretentious display - what is the world coming to? I know she's an adult and all, but wouldn't you, as her parent phone her up and say, "You're being a goose, cut it out!"
Do Virgin want to be associated with this?
Maybe I'm just a really out-of-touch old fart...
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Let's just keep this thread to actual questions about applications for the cadetship huh?
My apologies, Dr, I realise I have contributed to the drift.
But I'm just so blown away by this I needed to vent...
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