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Where is the Cobham/AMSA SAR Challenger 604???

Old 23rd Aug 2016, 10:36
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Well then it's a thing Pearl didn't farm the Door Knockers out at the end of their contract.
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 11:00
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The sad fact is the Australian tax payer is being duped. AMSA chose a dud platform. The most likely reason the Challenger is not online is because of lack of approval from CASA. Multiple strikes along the fuselage isn't good. It's a definite concern however it is not Cobham's problem. Cobham held up the shiny slick bid and AMSA took it. AMSA will eventually realise they no longer run the contract. Heads will roll. Soon AMSA will be overrun by former Cobham employees and there will be no turning back. Just ask Customs.
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 20:32
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Originally Posted by Badengo
The AW139s that are on their way will help out a lot too.
Not more than 100nm off the coast or inland they won't!
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Badengo
Perth base was never commissioned to be mission ready only training. Dorniers still flying the contract elsewhere and available if needed.
You really have drunk the Kool Ade. That is absolute rubbish.
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 22:45
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Badengo,your new to this aren't you? Why would anyone contract an aircraft for training only? A contract means you start providing an agreed service at an agreed time.
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 05:15
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Given the recurring issues with dropping stores and the limited size and weight (from what is being said here) of stores that can be dropped maybe the Do -328Jet might have been a better aircraft option than a C604 or other rear engine biz jet.

T tail for clearance when dropping stores, similar systems to Do t/prop and readily available P& W 300 series engines.
Was a limited production run aircraft at 110 copies but still in use with numerous operators and this is a specialist role requiring a modified aircraft anyway.

Maybe a bit slow though for transit with a max speed of approx 400kts compared to approx 320kt (?)for the t/prop.

(Can't think of any other jet in that size range with 2 wing mounted engines and T tail )

Just a thought but one that was probably considered and rejected on cost grounds since the 604 is a lot smaller and no doubt cheaper to operate to maximize profits on the contract.

After all,.... its all about min cost & max profit,.... like everything else nowadays.......never mind about choosing equipment that can easily fill the role and do the job without basic fundamental issues,...to help save lives !!!
( sorry, the cynic came out at the end there)

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Old 24th Aug 2016, 12:25
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AMSA may consider termination for any material non-performance or underperformance of the services. For example, AMSA would consider any of the following circumstances to give rise to
material breaches of a resultant contract:

Availability Rolling Period
Average availability across all bases 85% or greater to less than 95% - 6 months

Average availability across all bases 75% or greater to less than 85% - 4 months

Average availability across all bases less than 75% - 3 months

Availability at any one, or more, bases less than 75% - 3 months

Its this last one that will come into consideration in October!!
Interesting days ahead.
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Old 25th Aug 2016, 02:52
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XNC was doing extensive aerial work out of YBHI a few weeks ago. Also apparently down in the SE of SA for a while too according to my sources. Since it was apparent that they weren't actually looking for anything (i.e. a downed aircraft), I assumed it was some sort of exercise.

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Old 25th Aug 2016, 09:54
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Definately not looking for a downed aircraft, because there AOC doesn't allow them to conduct live SAR.
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Old 29th Aug 2016, 12:22
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XNC is the training rig with first prototype drop chute system. Has been flying it's arse off here! Cameras all over the airframe capturing every drop to fine tune the system that has been chosen.

No AOC issues either, the aircraft is experimental...because it's just that, first of type with extensive modifications.

Operational flying starts beginning of September. As always planned.
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Old 29th Aug 2016, 12:25
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Originally Posted by FMTAfterburn
Badengo,your new to this aren't you? Why would anyone contract an aircraft for training only? A contract means you start providing an agreed service at an agreed time.
Your last sentence is bang on, contractually it's not required to be online early September.
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Old 29th Aug 2016, 19:31
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Originally Posted by Badengo
Operational flying starts beginning of September. As always planned.
As always planned??? Um, shouldn't the "plan" of been operational flying at the start of contract so there was no coverage gaps, or doesn't anyone care about the safety of the tax payers?
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Old 29th Aug 2016, 21:29
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Fact. contractually it was required to be task capable on the start date. Now we are being told cairns aircraft will be a month late. That means even more gaps in the SAR plan. Cobham gonna pretty well do what they want, AMSA has no choice. Less capable aircraft, new sensors which are unitegrated and unproven, an unsafe, or at best ineffective drop system, but hey, at least it's not cheap.
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Old 29th Aug 2016, 22:02
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Well, I watched it land yesterday in Perth on runway 24 and it wasn't on the ground until just after the C intersection. That, for those that don't know Perth, is a bit over half way down the runway and the runway is only 2163m long.

I was waiting for it to go spearing through the end onto the grass, but it didn't.
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Old 29th Aug 2016, 22:22
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Originally Posted by Badengo
XNC is the training rig with first prototype drop chute system. Has been flying it's arse off here! Cameras all over the airframe capturing every drop to fine tune the system that has been chosen.

No AOC issues either, the aircraft is experimental...because it's just that, first of type with extensive modifications.

Operational flying starts beginning of September. As always planned.
Crock of **** Badengo, contract start date was 8th August. That means the ability to provide full SAR coverage on the 8th August.

Cairns also going to be a month delayed.

All good having unproven onboard sensors, but they are all pointless if they cant drop!!
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Old 30th Aug 2016, 09:39
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Originally Posted by Dashunder
Crock of **** Badengo, contract start date was 8th August. That means the ability to provide full SAR coverage on the 8th August.

Cairns also going to be a month delayed.

All good having unproven onboard sensors, but they are all pointless if they cant drop!!
Ah so you've read the contract then? The start date wasn't for the start of SAR capability but training.

The fully operational machine will be over here within the next week or so, to coincide with the operational requirement start date.

The main holdups in this project has actually been AMSA not supplying crucial data like the size of stores etc until the very last minute. Cobham have met the requirements each step of the way. The aircraft was on time in Perth for AMSA crew training as stated in contract.

Cairns was always scheduled for Jan/Feb 2017.
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Old 30th Aug 2016, 10:13
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Originally Posted by Badengo
Ah so you've read the contract then? The start date wasn't for the start of SAR capability but training.

The fully operational machine will be over here within the next week or so, to coincide with the operational requirement start date.

The main holdups in this project has actually been AMSA not supplying crucial data like the size of stores etc until the very last minute. Cobham have met the requirements each step of the way. The aircraft was on time in Perth for AMSA crew training as stated in contract.

Cairns was always scheduled for Jan/Feb 2017.
Yep, pretty much full bottle on the contract, don't know what fairy tale your reading. As far as stores go, the RFT (that's request for tender) stated specifically that the selected aircraft will be capable of dropping the current array of stores. They even provided pictures and specifications - incidentally stating a maximum tested deployment speed of 160 kts-, also it should be noted that visual surveillance which is bread and butter SAR work, is to be done at 130 kts.
Everyone should take note that it appears Cobham are quick to blame their new client as being responsible for their in ability to meet contract imperatives.
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Old 30th Aug 2016, 10:33
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Enough!! You guys are insane. Move on and look for another job!

*hot tip 1* prepare for the interview. What ever you do, don't assume you'll get a job because you were employed by the previous contract owner.
*tip 2* don't burn bridges when you move between jobs. (*hint - they might not take you back)

It's really not that complicated!

Now move on.
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Originally Posted by FMTAfterburn
Yep, pretty much full bottle on the contract, don't know what fairy tale your reading. As far as stores go, the RFT (that's request for tender) stated specifically that the selected aircraft will be capable of dropping the current array of stores. They even provided pictures and specifications - incidentally stating a maximum tested deployment speed of 160 kts-, also it should be noted that visual surveillance which is bread and butter SAR work, is to be done at 130 kts.
Everyone should take note that it appears Cobham are quick to blame their new client as being responsible for their in ability to meet contract imperatives.
Thanks for replying for Dashunder regarding reading the contract.

Yes aware of the fact there was a request for information swapping but it didn't come to fruition until very late in the game.
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Originally Posted by bodybag
Enough!! You guys are insane. Move on and look for another job!

*hot tip 1* prepare for the interview. What ever you do, don't assume you'll get a job because you were employed by the previous contract owner.
*tip 2* don't burn bridges when you move between jobs. (*hint - they might not take you back)

It's really not that complicated!

Now move on.
Haha YES!!! So many butt hurt people on here! Im happy either way, if it flies or not I'm still fixing it and paying my bills
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