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Solid gold from CASA
https://jade.io/article/422184
CASA investigators knew the story was suspicious from the beginning. Mr Nick Coulson, a CASA officer, rang alarm bells early on in the investigation when he said in an email dated 29 August 2013 (exhibit 14) “…I find it difficult to believe the story with respect to there having been three grown men in the cockpit of an R22”. While Mr Coulson went on to accept it might have been possible, he asked: “So I am just wondering if they are having a lend of us?”
Mr Coulson, a test pilot, said the only way the third individual could fit in the helicopter was if he had his legs hanging out the door (exhibit 14). Yet Mr Nystrom said in cross-examination that he did not put that discrepancy to Mr Gibb. Mr Nystrom’s explanation for his failure to do so is worth noting. In cross-examination, he said:
I haven’t flown in a Robinson R22. I’m an investigator, I take on board any information that I receive. Mr Coulson made those comments as an expert pilot. Those comments are there for you to digest and deem if it’s appropriate. I have no views on the matter.
CASA investigators knew the story was suspicious from the beginning. Mr Nick Coulson, a CASA officer, rang alarm bells early on in the investigation when he said in an email dated 29 August 2013 (exhibit 14) “…I find it difficult to believe the story with respect to there having been three grown men in the cockpit of an R22”. While Mr Coulson went on to accept it might have been possible, he asked: “So I am just wondering if they are having a lend of us?”
Mr Coulson, a test pilot, said the only way the third individual could fit in the helicopter was if he had his legs hanging out the door (exhibit 14). Yet Mr Nystrom said in cross-examination that he did not put that discrepancy to Mr Gibb. Mr Nystrom’s explanation for his failure to do so is worth noting. In cross-examination, he said:
I haven’t flown in a Robinson R22. I’m an investigator, I take on board any information that I receive. Mr Coulson made those comments as an expert pilot. Those comments are there for you to digest and deem if it’s appropriate. I have no views on the matter.
Very intellectual and investigatory approach...!!
3 men an a tub plus a couple of cartons..anyone think to do the weight and balance maths, to see if it was even possible to get off the ground.
Never mind, .. CAsA in its vindictive norm was on a "whack" mission. So any old BS will do to get a conviction/
The culture of Just Arse strikes again.
3 men an a tub plus a couple of cartons..anyone think to do the weight and balance maths, to see if it was even possible to get off the ground.
Never mind, .. CAsA in its vindictive norm was on a "whack" mission. So any old BS will do to get a conviction/
The culture of Just Arse strikes again.
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Who the F*** wrote that ****
is this a factual report, or someone trying to write a movie script?
The central allegation against the applicant, Jason Pantovic, reads like a producer’s pitch to a movie studio. The scene is set: three friends at a barbeque in the country run out of beer. Police officers lurking on the back roads to town threaten to disrupt the resupply process. Relief is at hand: the leading character, Mr Pantovic, is a daring-do helicopter pilot
Are CASA employees protected from charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice or whatever they call it these days? No doubt big brother would spend up big to defend them, but a session before the beak might do wonders to damp down overzealous prosecutions in future.
Spinex. The answer is YES. And I speak from direct experience.
And Big Brother does spend up big to defend the indefensible.
The ICC recommended.. ."that in the public interest, they be dealt with by the AFP"
CAsA's reaction to that.. not a satisfactory investigation (of the criminal behaviour of the CAsA AWIs by the ICC)...therefore at a cost of $200 grand + bring in an independent investigator/contractor...BUT change his brief to suit the CAsA way, from allegations of criminality to just breaches of the code of conduct..that has NO provisions in it regarding criminality.
Such an investigation would .."make it fairer for the staff"... Never mind the fn victim of the seriously FALSE allegations SWORN by the 3 CAsA persons to be used in a court of law to obtain a criminal conviction.
Contractors findings... They all breached the code. And they should be dealt with by the AFP.
Result. One fled..earlier criminality. The main perpetrator retired hurt 4 years later "CaSA is too stressful" Poor dear. And the 3rd plonker got promoted !!
And from The Voodoo practitioner in CAsA...the falsities were but simple discrepancies in the wording. !!!
Like I say, Regulatastan is a dangerous country to live...but only for some.
And Big Brother does spend up big to defend the indefensible.
The ICC recommended.. ."that in the public interest, they be dealt with by the AFP"
CAsA's reaction to that.. not a satisfactory investigation (of the criminal behaviour of the CAsA AWIs by the ICC)...therefore at a cost of $200 grand + bring in an independent investigator/contractor...BUT change his brief to suit the CAsA way, from allegations of criminality to just breaches of the code of conduct..that has NO provisions in it regarding criminality.
Such an investigation would .."make it fairer for the staff"... Never mind the fn victim of the seriously FALSE allegations SWORN by the 3 CAsA persons to be used in a court of law to obtain a criminal conviction.
Contractors findings... They all breached the code. And they should be dealt with by the AFP.
Result. One fled..earlier criminality. The main perpetrator retired hurt 4 years later "CaSA is too stressful" Poor dear. And the 3rd plonker got promoted !!
And from The Voodoo practitioner in CAsA...the falsities were but simple discrepancies in the wording. !!!
Like I say, Regulatastan is a dangerous country to live...but only for some.
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This is a very important case, when read with what happened to John Quadrio, where a known criminal [non-declared to JQ] was used as the star witness.
There is a full break-up of the AAT findings: Jack Patovic and the R22 trip, which is worth a read.
and Spinifex's note:
There is a full break-up of the AAT findings: Jack Patovic and the R22 trip, which is worth a read.
Aww come on guys. A previous industry complaints person was sharing a toothbrush with whom??
The rule of law simply does not apply to CAsA.
The rule of law simply does not apply to CAsA.
Are CASA employees protected from charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice or whatever they call it these days?
No doubt big brother would spend up big to defend them, but a session before the beak might do wonders to damp down overzealous prosecutions in future.
No doubt big brother would spend up big to defend them, but a session before the beak might do wonders to damp down overzealous prosecutions in future.
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I suspected the reported AAT decision at Post # 1 was the product of a brilliant legal mind and great sense of humour..........
However, out of idle curiosity, Google came up with this link from the Courier Mail in December 2015:
No Cookies | The Courier Mail
There is also one of those onerous personal undertakings on the CASA web site that comes up in Google.
However, out of idle curiosity, Google came up with this link from the Courier Mail in December 2015:
No Cookies | The Courier Mail
There is also one of those onerous personal undertakings on the CASA web site that comes up in Google.
