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Old 19th May 2016, 23:58
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Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport - Aviation security

Tax payer dollars at work?
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Delayed and delayed until the inevitable. How many other enquiries met the same fate? What a waste of time, resources and money. The lesson to be learnt is if you want an enquiry report to be tabled, start it in the first year of the incumbent Government.

Airport and aviation security ? Parliament of Australia

At the dissolution of the Senate and the House of Representatives on 9 May 2016 for a general election on 2 July 2016, the parliamentary committees of the 44th Parliament ceased to exist. Therefore inquiries that were not completed have lapsed and submissions cannot be received. However, information about the inquiries is still available on this website.
Information on committees for the 45th Parliament will be presented here as soon as it is available.
On 4 December 2014, the Senate moved that the following matters be referred to the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee for inquiry and report by 26 April 2015.
Airport and aviation security.
Submissions should be received by 16 January 2015. The reporting date is 26 April 2015. On 26 March 2015, the Senate granted an extension of time for reporting until 21 May 2015. On 14 May 2015, the Senate granted an extension of time for reporting until 12 August 2015. On 12 August 2015, the Senate granted an extension of time for reporting until 9 September 2015. On 9 September 2015, the Senate granted an extension of time for reporting until 2 December 2015. On 12 November 2015, the Senate granted an extension of time for reporting until 19 May 2016.
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Old 20th May 2016, 00:25
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The lesson to be learnt is that almost all of these inquiries and hearings is just pantomime.
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 23:21
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While passing through airport security, I was selected to go through one of your new body scanners. As I went through the scanner, it picked up aprosthetic that I wear. This is worn in my underwear. I explained to the officer at the scanner that I am Trans* and that I was wearing a prosthetic, to
which he responded that he would need to get his supervisor In full view of other travellers, the Supervisor approached me putting rubber gloves on.
When I asked him what the gloves were for, he told me that he was going to do a 'private search'.
I pulled out my prosthetic enough for them to see. The supervisor said I needed to sign a form first, and while saying this, he put on a second glove. I
asked him again what the gloves were for and he replied, 'you want me to touch that thing with my bare hands?'
One thing I never gave consideration to was an IED prosthetic risk.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 10:05
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Good on you for highlighting the intrusiveness of the body scanners and having the courage to do so in the context of your trans attribute. There is a lot of discussion of the legislation at:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journal...l/2007/14.html

My breasts are my own but I feel uncomfortable at the thought of some bloke taking a clandestine gig at them and wonder how women who have undergone mastectomies must feel in that situation.

How did we all survive in the world 50 years ago? No ASIC. No security screening. Just a walk across the Tarmac after showing your ticket. No throttle locks....

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Old 19th Oct 2016, 13:02
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Originally Posted by kaz3g

How did we all survive in the world 50 years ago? No ASIC. No security screening. Just a walk across the Tarmac after showing your ticket. No throttle locks....

Kaz
I guess we all survived due to the fact that aircraft were not seen as attractive targets for ideologically motivated violence. And there weren't as many willing to carry out those attacks. There's not a single person who doesn't wish we could go back to the old ways. Us for sense of innocence and nostalgia. Others because it would make their goals to kill as many of us as possible a hell of a lot easier.
Some interesting reading in the submissions by the various groups. I don't mean by journos or the self proclaimed aviation expert.
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There aren't any "clandestine gigs". In my experience, once you have passed through a scanner, the screen the operator views is there for you to view also. You can see exactly what they see - a very generic outline of a human figure, with any area the scanner picked up generically highlighted for them to further investigate. They are not secret "undressing" machines. While not a fan of the whole security rigmarole, they are an effective tool for non-invasively checking that someone is not concealing something in or beneath their clothing that would not have been picked up by a traditional walkthrough metal detector.
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The ability of operators to view actual physical parts of the body was removed long ago. All that shows up is a stick figure and a highlight on areas that need to be checked. Unfortunately that probably includes trans gender prosthetics.
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The ability of operators to view actual physical parts of the body was removed long ago. All that shows up is a stick figure and a highlight on areas that need to be checked.
I'm pretty sure they still do see your entire body, just not the people at the checkpoint doing the actual pat down.

My understanding was that the scanner sends the full body images to a remote screen in an office where the operator selects any areas of interest which will flash up on the 'generic body outline' than you and the screening point guys see.
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Your understanding is completely and utterly incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
Your understanding is completely and utterly incorrect.
Ok I've never operated one so maybe you can clarify for me?
Was my understanding close to the mark?
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As someone who has a prosthetic hip joint I would far rather go through one of those scanners than some of the pat downs and even having to pull jeans down to display my operation scar that I have to go through at certain airports.
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As someone who has a prosthetic hip joint I would far rather go through one of those scanners than some of the pat downs and even having to pull jeans down to display my operation scar that I have to go through at certain airports.
Clare, did they grant you some privacy when you had to show the scar?

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