Tamworth industry rally - friday 6 may 2016
Has anyone done a market study to establish why fred public/businesses are not using GA for transport or why people are not undertaking training? Is there any economic analysis to show cost breakdowns for GA businesses or aircraft operating costs? BITRE did such a study in 1995 when industry were blaming FAC charges and CAA cost recovery. In reality, based on data provided by GA organisations, those costs represented about 5%.. We need an update so that decisions and action are data/fact based. Report is at bitre.gov.au/publications/1996/report.
Research Report 95.
Research Report 95.
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How about the fact that an ignorant media regards everything smaller than a B737 as some sort of death trap?
How about the fact that I spent $1000.00 for about three hours of dual in a C172 for some refresher training?
How about the fact that light aircraft are banned from national parks?
How about the fact that the tourist industry and CASA actively discourage air tourism or community based air activities like Angel Flight?
How about the fact that almost all local councils want aerodromes for property development and actively work to prevent aviation businesses from expanding?
How about the fact that Australians regard aviators as silvertails who deserve no consideration?
How about the fact that Airservices, Airlines and the RAAF regard GA aircraft as "air pollution"?
How about the fact that pilots are up for a $250 ASIC check every Two years? And the medical? And the flight review?
How about the fact that pilots face criminal charges if they breach a huge set of incomprehensible, draconian and nonsensical regulations that are administered by an ignorant, capricious, vindictive and corrupt regulator?
….and how about the fact that nobody in Canberra gives a flying **** about GA?
If I knew all this when I started, I would have bought a bigger boat instead.
To put all that another way, if the Federal treasurer had announced a $1000 annual tax on each aircraft in last nights budget speech, there would have been loud applause from all sides of Parliament (especially the Greens) and the media would accept the move without criticism on Wednesday morning.
fred public/businesses are not using GA for transport or why people are not undertaking training?
How about the fact that I spent $1000.00 for about three hours of dual in a C172 for some refresher training?
How about the fact that light aircraft are banned from national parks?
How about the fact that the tourist industry and CASA actively discourage air tourism or community based air activities like Angel Flight?
How about the fact that almost all local councils want aerodromes for property development and actively work to prevent aviation businesses from expanding?
How about the fact that Australians regard aviators as silvertails who deserve no consideration?
How about the fact that Airservices, Airlines and the RAAF regard GA aircraft as "air pollution"?
How about the fact that pilots are up for a $250 ASIC check every Two years? And the medical? And the flight review?
How about the fact that pilots face criminal charges if they breach a huge set of incomprehensible, draconian and nonsensical regulations that are administered by an ignorant, capricious, vindictive and corrupt regulator?
….and how about the fact that nobody in Canberra gives a flying **** about GA?
If I knew all this when I started, I would have bought a bigger boat instead.
To put all that another way, if the Federal treasurer had announced a $1000 annual tax on each aircraft in last nights budget speech, there would have been loud applause from all sides of Parliament (especially the Greens) and the media would accept the move without criticism on Wednesday morning.
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You are forgetting something…..this is Australia. 
We bring government and enterprise stifling to world record highs.
Sunny……GOLD.
Unfortunately you are not wrong either.
Maybe we all need to be reminded that the Safety Regulator is there, elected by the people, for the people...
We bring government and enterprise stifling to world record highs.
Sunny……GOLD.
Unfortunately you are not wrong either.
Sunfish. You are correct. Get into boating.
I have not changed my view. That is get out of aviation now if you run a business otherwise even more will be lost.
I don't see any light on the horizon .
I would say another 5 to 10 years of CASA destructive cost increases before major change happens.
Such a sad and unnecessary loss for an industry I love.
I have not changed my view. That is get out of aviation now if you run a business otherwise even more will be lost.
I don't see any light on the horizon .
I would say another 5 to 10 years of CASA destructive cost increases before major change happens.
Such a sad and unnecessary loss for an industry I love.
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This past week I have received enormous feedback and support from across the industry, with many leading organisations and individuals confirming they will be in attendance - Friday 6th May, Hangar 6, Tamworth Regional Airport.
What is absolutely clear is that our industry is fed up with the ignorance and inaction of both sides of government. We have been failed at every level possible. The industry has been bullied and intimidated into accepting a broken, disjointed and expensive regulatory framework. One that has systematically eroded our rights and destroyed an industry.
Australias leading associations and peak bodies have clearly communicated the warnings and dire predictions for two decades, yet government has done nothing.
Our safety regulator today, is just another Super Seasprite calamity. Hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payers money, wasted on a system which is being patched and cobbled together and will never fly.
What is absolutely clear is that our industry is fed up with the ignorance and inaction of both sides of government. We have been failed at every level possible. The industry has been bullied and intimidated into accepting a broken, disjointed and expensive regulatory framework. One that has systematically eroded our rights and destroyed an industry.
Australias leading associations and peak bodies have clearly communicated the warnings and dire predictions for two decades, yet government has done nothing.
Our safety regulator today, is just another Super Seasprite calamity. Hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payers money, wasted on a system which is being patched and cobbled together and will never fly.
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Good on you Ben
Even when CASA was on the right path (yes there were pockets of progress in the times of Leroy Keith & Bruce Byron) it was white-anted by vested interests inside and outside of CASA, and then totally stuffed over by the Office of Legal Counsel.
Even when CASA was on the right path (yes there were pockets of progress in the times of Leroy Keith & Bruce Byron) it was white-anted by vested interests inside and outside of CASA, and then totally stuffed over by the Office of Legal Counsel.
Even when CASA was on the right path (yes there were pockets of progress in the times of Leroy Keith & Bruce Byron) it was white-anted by vested interests inside and outside of CASA, and then totally stuffed over by the Office of Legal Counsel.
Ain't that the truth, CASA's (and its predecessors) "Iron Ring" would make a great study for some academic -- morally ( and sometimes ???) bankrupt. Public administration, where the best interests of the nation,the public or the industry hardly rate consideration, and "Government" policy is a minor irritant that can be safely disregarded.
All under the impenetrable cloak of that "motherhood" to end all motherhood cover, "Aviation Safety".
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Gidday folks, getting my way up there OK but looking for a cost share flight on the way home to Melbourne on Friday night. PM me if you can assist. Cheers. Glen
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INDUSTRY CALLS ON GOVERNMENT TO END THE
DESTRUCTION OF GENERAL AVIATION IN AUSTRALIA.
TAMWORTH REGIONAL AIRPORT, HANGAR 6 - FRIDAY 6TH MAY 2016 - From 1pm
The general aviation industry’s leading associations and personalities, will rally at Tamworth Regional Airport, this Friday, 6th May from 1pm. Calling on the government to take immediate measures to end the regulatory nightmare that is destroying Australia's general aviation flight training, charter and maintenance businesses.
In attendance, representing the government will be;
The Deputy Prime Minister, the Hon Barnaby Joyce
The Department of Infrastructure and Transport, the Hon Darren Chester
The Chairman of the Board, Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Mr Jeff Boyd
Small to medium sized aviation businesses across Australia are being forced into closure through excessive regulatory costs - imposed by the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA).
Throughout the past 25 years, the industry’s leading associations and peak bodies have furnished the successive Ministers and Civil Aviation Safety Authority management with dire warnings, clearly demonstrating the damage being inflicted on industry through excessive and expensive regulation.
All efforts by industry to date have been blatantly ignored.
The general aviation industry has been bullied and intimidated by CASA into accepting a flawed and expensive european EASA regulatory framework which is totally unsuitable and incompatible for Australia’s general aviation needs and future.
CASA’s decision to implement the european EASA platform over that of the United States FAA system has been totally unsupported by the general aviation industry and has increased regulatory compliance costs to unaffordable levels. It has made Australian general aviation uncompetitive globally and is forcing flight training, maintenance and charter businesses into closure.
CASA has demonstrated that it is unable to make the right decision for Australia’s general aviation future. CASA are ignoring the qualified consensus of industry.
The general aviation industry stands firm, calling on the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport to direct the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to immediately discontinue the EASA regulatory implementation and to accept the qualified consensus of industry to harmonise with the Federal Aviation Administration regulatory platform of the United States - the worlds largest and most successful general aviation economy.
We now call on the Liberal/National Government to bring and end to this dark chapter and to re-position Australia’s general aviation industry, to create jobs, growth and opportunity.
Best regards,
BENJAMIN MORGAN
Chief Executive - Aviation Advertiser Digital Group
Telephone: (02) 8215 6292
Mobile: 0415 577 724
Email: [email protected]
Mailing Address:
PO BOX 465
Edgecliff NSW 2027
Australia.
DESTRUCTION OF GENERAL AVIATION IN AUSTRALIA.
TAMWORTH REGIONAL AIRPORT, HANGAR 6 - FRIDAY 6TH MAY 2016 - From 1pm
The general aviation industry’s leading associations and personalities, will rally at Tamworth Regional Airport, this Friday, 6th May from 1pm. Calling on the government to take immediate measures to end the regulatory nightmare that is destroying Australia's general aviation flight training, charter and maintenance businesses.
In attendance, representing the government will be;
The Deputy Prime Minister, the Hon Barnaby Joyce
The Department of Infrastructure and Transport, the Hon Darren Chester
The Chairman of the Board, Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Mr Jeff Boyd
Small to medium sized aviation businesses across Australia are being forced into closure through excessive regulatory costs - imposed by the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA).
Throughout the past 25 years, the industry’s leading associations and peak bodies have furnished the successive Ministers and Civil Aviation Safety Authority management with dire warnings, clearly demonstrating the damage being inflicted on industry through excessive and expensive regulation.
All efforts by industry to date have been blatantly ignored.
The general aviation industry has been bullied and intimidated by CASA into accepting a flawed and expensive european EASA regulatory framework which is totally unsuitable and incompatible for Australia’s general aviation needs and future.
CASA’s decision to implement the european EASA platform over that of the United States FAA system has been totally unsupported by the general aviation industry and has increased regulatory compliance costs to unaffordable levels. It has made Australian general aviation uncompetitive globally and is forcing flight training, maintenance and charter businesses into closure.
CASA has demonstrated that it is unable to make the right decision for Australia’s general aviation future. CASA are ignoring the qualified consensus of industry.
The general aviation industry stands firm, calling on the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport to direct the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to immediately discontinue the EASA regulatory implementation and to accept the qualified consensus of industry to harmonise with the Federal Aviation Administration regulatory platform of the United States - the worlds largest and most successful general aviation economy.
We now call on the Liberal/National Government to bring and end to this dark chapter and to re-position Australia’s general aviation industry, to create jobs, growth and opportunity.
Best regards,
BENJAMIN MORGAN
Chief Executive - Aviation Advertiser Digital Group
Telephone: (02) 8215 6292
Mobile: 0415 577 724
Email: [email protected]
Mailing Address:
PO BOX 465
Edgecliff NSW 2027
Australia.
CAsA , Iron Ringers and the GIGANTIC CON job
As we all have seen over the past 25 years, ANYTHING can be done in the name of "safety", the holiest grail for top tossers in NON Aviation House to collect the blood of the GA, destroying individuals, businesses and the whole damn industry. 
Please tell those 'higher ups' that show, that CAsA is colossaly expensive and IRRELEVANT. Way past time for GA that has reached its limit of patience,to either get the demanded changes (FAA or NZ)or ignore the rotten place once and for all.
My PHD thesis subject will be.."Witchcraft and Voodooism in CAsA Customary Regulation with a view to Destroying General Aviation."
Among the many internal subjects will be the CAsA Code of Conduct ( big joke) Staff quality, illegalities undertaken, allowed by and protected by the senior management (sic) and bureaucratic systems.
And these are just the funny pages.
Hopefully by the time this opus is completed it will be of historical significance only. CAsA will have been totally shredded, and a new Aviation division of DOIT, staffed with people with an interest in and knowledge of aviation, AND GA so there WILL be a future for GA.
What else is there.? Anarchy??
Please tell those 'higher ups' that show, that CAsA is colossaly expensive and IRRELEVANT. Way past time for GA that has reached its limit of patience,to either get the demanded changes (FAA or NZ)or ignore the rotten place once and for all.
My PHD thesis subject will be.."Witchcraft and Voodooism in CAsA Customary Regulation with a view to Destroying General Aviation."
Among the many internal subjects will be the CAsA Code of Conduct ( big joke) Staff quality, illegalities undertaken, allowed by and protected by the senior management (sic) and bureaucratic systems.
And these are just the funny pages.
Hopefully by the time this opus is completed it will be of historical significance only. CAsA will have been totally shredded, and a new Aviation division of DOIT, staffed with people with an interest in and knowledge of aviation, AND GA so there WILL be a future for GA.
What else is there.? Anarchy??
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There is an election coming up..
I seriously doubt any of these people will give any kind of **** about what happens and is said in Tamworth.
In attendance, representing the government will be;
The Deputy Prime Minister, the Hon Barnaby Joyce
The Department of Infrastructure and Transport, the Hon Darren Chester
The Chairman of the Board, Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Mr Jeff Boyd
The Deputy Prime Minister, the Hon Barnaby Joyce
The Department of Infrastructure and Transport, the Hon Darren Chester
The Chairman of the Board, Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Mr Jeff Boyd
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Even if they are seen as such, and 100% of the attendees are 100% passionate of showing it at the ballot box, nothing will change.
I used to think they listened………
The only thing that gets there attention is when they get 30+ emails, letters, phone calls and face to face visit requests PER DAY on the same topic for several weeks or months. Only then will they chat among their colleagues and ask are you getting all this noise? If the answer from several of them is yes, they start listening.
If all each MP gets is a few folk at a meeting, they nod and smile and say yes we will take that on board.
There are not enough people employed/participate in aviation in Australia to be noticed. Not enough in TOTAL, let alone active enough to demand attention.
Sadly to think otherwise is delusional and once I was.
I used to think they listened………
The only thing that gets there attention is when they get 30+ emails, letters, phone calls and face to face visit requests PER DAY on the same topic for several weeks or months. Only then will they chat among their colleagues and ask are you getting all this noise? If the answer from several of them is yes, they start listening.
If all each MP gets is a few folk at a meeting, they nod and smile and say yes we will take that on board.
There are not enough people employed/participate in aviation in Australia to be noticed. Not enough in TOTAL, let alone active enough to demand attention.
Sadly to think otherwise is delusional and once I was.
From Jeff Boyd regarding CIR prof checks, "We will be changing the rules in the next few weeks so that multiples checks on different types are not required."
On ADSB, "I was always against ADSB as deputy chair, but now that it's in place, we can't just roll it back, it has to be unpicked. We will issue exemptions for aircraft that need not yet existing technical developments if you approach me."
Aminta Hennesy brings up good points on price gouging by airport real estate greed, cost of ADSB, ridiculous maintenance requirements (new aircraft needing cables changed every six years), ambiguity on Part 61 rules, Part 141/142 complexity.
On ADSB, "I was always against ADSB as deputy chair, but now that it's in place, we can't just roll it back, it has to be unpicked. We will issue exemptions for aircraft that need not yet existing technical developments if you approach me."
Aminta Hennesy brings up good points on price gouging by airport real estate greed, cost of ADSB, ridiculous maintenance requirements (new aircraft needing cables changed every six years), ambiguity on Part 61 rules, Part 141/142 complexity.
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Having attended the gathering, one thing struck me. The age of the attendees. No disrespect but if this is representative of aviation in this country then we're in more trouble than I thought.
Chester and Joyce were like deer caught in headlights, at least Joyce didn't pretend he knew any answers.
Jeff Boyd, to his credit answered the hard questions, I like what I heard from this bloke BUT it beggars belief that a board or a minister or deputy prime minister CANNOT direct a rouge DAS in desperate times. Whatever it takes Jeff, this has to change.
Jeff mentioned that the board was looking to align Part 61 with kiwi regs, he mentioned that there were multiple exemptions in the pipeline and changes to Part 61.
I want the mongrels who imposed this disaster on us held to account. Aminta's question on NVFR was typical of the last 12-18 months of this ****pile, CASA FOI's still unable to answer questions on their own regs, but still, the idiots who caused this disaster are not held to account.
Chester and Joyce were like deer caught in headlights, at least Joyce didn't pretend he knew any answers.
Jeff Boyd, to his credit answered the hard questions, I like what I heard from this bloke BUT it beggars belief that a board or a minister or deputy prime minister CANNOT direct a rouge DAS in desperate times. Whatever it takes Jeff, this has to change.
Jeff mentioned that the board was looking to align Part 61 with kiwi regs, he mentioned that there were multiple exemptions in the pipeline and changes to Part 61.
I want the mongrels who imposed this disaster on us held to account. Aminta's question on NVFR was typical of the last 12-18 months of this ****pile, CASA FOI's still unable to answer questions on their own regs, but still, the idiots who caused this disaster are not held to account.