Aircraft down, Lancefield, Vic
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Very sad - PIC very (as in super) experienced Capt and an absolute champion of safety and emergency procedures. A/c was exceptionally well maintained and well equipped.
Condolences to his family and the family of the pax.
AT
Condolences to his family and the family of the pax.
AT
What are spin or recovery characteristics of the Brumby?
I was on Mount Macedon at the time, the weather in the area was calm and sunny, a beautiful day..;(
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Was he a retired TAA Capt by any chance? If so, I met him many years ago at Sunbury airfield. Condolences to his family.
Oh dear. Instructor and student, Terry Otway, CFI of the flying school. Both pilots, doing a GA to RAA conversion. Story updated to include "spiral dive." If anyone could fly a plane well it was Terry.
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I found Terry a wonderful helpful instructor and true gentleman in all manners. He was also a very conservative and careful pilot and imparted that onto others.
I hope for a detailed investigation shared publicly so that I can learn a final lesson or two from an old (not bold) pilot and friend.
You'll be sorely missed by many Terry.
CG
I hope for a detailed investigation shared publicly so that I can learn a final lesson or two from an old (not bold) pilot and friend.
You'll be sorely missed by many Terry.
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O' f*** RIP etc – but there need to be changes in reporting
Am inThailand with dental so on Novocaine and Scotch maybe back in time to put on the suit
My understanding of the facts is:
A/C: FAR 23 cettified
PIC: Experienced - COMMENT – Have had many converstations with him regardings stallss pins etc (see my posts about accidental spin in my RAA J160)
STUDENT – GA pilot doing RAA conversion (in what RAA rate as a High Performance a/c) – COMMENT - Unlikely to be PIC incapitation
LOCATION About where I would go out of Penfield to give me nice margin AGL for stalls
All of this requires a proper investiagtion. Useless as ASTB often is it is better than a VICPOL investigation (maybe with RAA assistance) so some turkey of a coroner can make a meanenless report in 202?
This system is a direct threat to my life and anyone who flies RAA
Novacaine has woth off now
O' f*** RIP etc – but there need to be changes in reporting
Am inThailand with dental so on Novocaine and Scotch maybe back in time to put on the suit
My understanding of the facts is:
A/C: FAR 23 cettified
PIC: Experienced - COMMENT – Have had many converstations with him regardings stallss pins etc (see my posts about accidental spin in my RAA J160)
STUDENT – GA pilot doing RAA conversion (in what RAA rate as a High Performance a/c) – COMMENT - Unlikely to be PIC incapitation
LOCATION About where I would go out of Penfield to give me nice margin AGL for stalls
All of this requires a proper investiagtion. Useless as ASTB often is it is better than a VICPOL investigation (maybe with RAA assistance) so some turkey of a coroner can make a meanenless report in 202?
This system is a direct threat to my life and anyone who flies RAA
Novacaine has woth off now
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Last I heard the ATSB are investigating, but given an apparent high speed impact, fire, no CVR or FDR and apparently no aviation experienced, eye witnesses, the possibility exists that they won't have much more to go on than what we can glean from the press reports.
I remember my own GA to RAA conversion and cocking up an incipient spin recovery - thinking back on it, a loose camera, fire extinguisher, headset bag etc flying into the footwell could have made the situation difficult to recover from. Yes they should all be securely stowed, but things work loose and many aircraft don't have any real way to secure loose items anyway.
I quite agree about the coroners reports though, with a couple of exceptions they have only the haziest appreciation of the activity they are investigating, an over developed god complex and are prone to getting diverted into irrelevant side issues.
I remember my own GA to RAA conversion and cocking up an incipient spin recovery - thinking back on it, a loose camera, fire extinguisher, headset bag etc flying into the footwell could have made the situation difficult to recover from. Yes they should all be securely stowed, but things work loose and many aircraft don't have any real way to secure loose items anyway.
I quite agree about the coroners reports though, with a couple of exceptions they have only the haziest appreciation of the activity they are investigating, an over developed god complex and are prone to getting diverted into irrelevant side issues.
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The significance of this accident is that it happened to somebody with the experience, attitude and ability of Terry Otway. He was a straight shooter who will be sorely missed.
A/C: FAR 23 certfied
Leadsled makes references to them as being "tested" here and "meeting" the design standards but I can't see anything about them actually being certified. Happy to be corrected.
http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...uy-brumby.html
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Did this aircraft have DYNON glass panels? I think it might have based on others I have seen.
If so, they have a very good record in surviving crash/fire events and the ATSB and Dynon have successfully retrieved all manner of flight data before. If that is the case they will have a very good picture of what went wrong.
Last I heard the ATSB are investigating, but given an apparent high speed impact, fire, no CVR or FDR
If so, they have a very good record in surviving crash/fire events and the ATSB and Dynon have successfully retrieved all manner of flight data before. If that is the case they will have a very good picture of what went wrong.
The significance of this accident is that it happened to somebody with the experience, attitude and ability of Terry Otway. He was a straight shooter who will be sorely missed.
Looked at Brumby once. From what I saw on the website, it didn't pass the smell test. The Chinese connection underlined business naivety and the "prop jet" and Cirrus comparisons indicated a certain technical naivety.
Furthermore, are RAA teaching spinning?
Furthermore, are RAA teaching spinning?
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Well then I guess the ATSB et al can all go home - our little ray of sunshine didn't like the smell of it. Actually the Brumby is one of the more robust RA offerings, almost overly so given the weight constraints and it generally enjoys a good reputation. And no the RA Aus operations manual hasn't changed - intentional spinning remains verboten and strangely enough nowhere has it been suggested that this is what they were doing. A fumbled stall recovery, leading to a spin is one of the more likely scenarios.
Sunfish - Looked at Brumby once. From what I saw on the website, it didn't pass the smell test. The Chinese connection underlined business naivety and the "prop jet" and Cirrus comparisons indicated a certain technical naivety.
Looked at Brumby once
Was this before you started building your Zenith CH 750 or whatever model it is? If so, you have a shady timeline recollection Sunfish. The Brumby announcement regarding China came about on August 24th 2014 and your blog says that you started your Zenith in around March 2013.
Brumby Aircraft Signs China Deal
This feels eerily similar to this one: http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...bundaberg.html
